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| Kruegs Outlandish | Aug 15 2011, 01:54 AM Post #1 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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What are all the punches and kicks good for? Where do ki and battle power come into play? This is here just so you see where I stand with ki and battle powers. My case studies will be Nappa and Piccolo and I'll give arbitrary figures. I'm pretty sure that these fighters are throwing like 4 or 5 punches/kicks per second at least, and if each hit is using as much ki as their power level then battle power is the amount of ki per one-fifth of a second. So here are some powers:
If these powers are the fighters' unsuppressed power then Piccolo has to overexert himself with each hit as to not be damaged by Nappa, who doesn't. Could go unsaid, but Piccolo's going to tire more quickly than Nappa if the battle's merely punches, kicks, blocks, and dodges, which is probably why fighters perfect techniques, and overexert themselves to raise battle power for attacks. Imagine Piccolo charging Makankosappo at his unsuppressed, but not overexerted, power for around 3 seconds (52500 ki) while Nappa bs's with Krillin; Nappa just notices and Makankosappo (Demon Drill) will probably hit in just a little over 1 sec. Nappa wouldn't generate enough ki to wall it unless he overexerts to put out around 3 times as much as he usually does in a second; does he have ki stored? If so, does he use the ki to wall or dodge Demon Drill? Can he use the ki in time? If he has none stored, I'd say he'd eat damage trying to wall at his current power; would Nappa be able to charge and gen enough ki to dodge it fully? Essentially, this is how I've, in a vaguer sense, seen battles; a fighter who's are trying to predict and counter to other's move, so that her/his opponent is either unable to avoid damage, or is too fatigued to keep up any longer. Generating Ki vs Storing Ki If a fighter has a higher ki regeneration than the opponent, the fighter will replenish ki supply the fastest. If a fighter has a higher ki capacity than the opponent, the fighter will store the most ki. If a fighter has equal regeneration but higher capacity, then if both fighters are at full ki, the fighter will often have ki to spare when the opponent's ki is near empty. If a fighter has equal capacity but higher regeneration, then the fighter's ki supply will outlast the opponent's in any situation. Yet another opportunity for tables:
So yeah. Both fighters are empty initially. A would probably want to strike at any time before four seconds, after that B has the advantage.
Here, both fighters have at least some ki stored. A should probably get ready for B's assault immediately. Even still, A should eventually wear B down enough to gain some advantage. A may want to be cautious as to not let B's capacity approaching max; B could actually be able to pull something off in the form of some type of attack. Concentration and Sensing, and Speed and Evasion Ki again. Put it with someone's physical talent and it enhances it. Like everything else. Generate ki for a seconds or two and put it into moving and dodging. Afterimage, etc. Concentrating so you can sense the person without losing track of them. Higher Battle Power = More Ki Per Second, NOT Win More Ki in Attack than Opponent Guard = Damage, NOT Win I'm basically saying that battle power doesn't determine a battle. Also, even if this is the case, that does not infer that Krillin could charge his Kamehameha for a day and HULK-SMASH Perfect Cell. In fact, Krillin would probably exhaust himself pouring all of his energy into a Kamehameha before his attack could seriously threaten Cell. Closing, a fighter with higher battle has an edge because she/he attacks with more ki per second, she/he can charge more ki per second, and won't have to worry about being seriously hurt in straight-up melee unless the opponent is really going overboard. A fighter who is attacking with more ki than his opponent's block will deal actual damage, albeit the damage is probably filtered lots by ki. Edited by Kruegs Outlandish, Sep 3 2011, 07:03 PM.
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If Nappa and Piccolo are throwing 4/5 punches per second. Then how many do you think SSJ2 Teen Gohan can throw? 
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| Kruegs Outlandish | Aug 15 2011, 02:08 AM Post #3 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Over 9000... [shrugs]. The numbers were arbitrary; the concept could be applied to any number. I can honestly only go by anime punching speed; I don't think manga makes such statements. In all honesty: Nappa vs Piccolo, Krillin looks like 5 hits/sec Piccolo vs Frieza looks like 5 hits/sec Goku vs Cell looks like 5 hits/sec SSJ (Cell Games) Gohan never really gets into a fight with someone who matches him. He's basically one-shotting everything. |
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That's one of the things I would change in Z. The movements don't correlate well with their power levels. To be honest the fastest movements I've seen were in the Saiyan Saga. |
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| Kruegs Outlandish | Sep 3 2011, 07:04 PM Post #5 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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