Nusu

Aug 12 2011, 02:01 PM

Nobody stronger then SSj Son Goku? Lol.

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18# knew from the beginning that 'Mighty Mask' was a threat. Son Goten and Trunks knew they had to be on their guard to win. By your logic, 18# thought that 'Mighty Mask' was not a threat even though, no ordinary human can compete with her speed yet 'Mighty Mask' was able too. She knew that 'Mighty Mask' wasn't child's play. Also, like said Son Goten and Trunks suffered restriction because of their disguise, they weren't able to fight properly.

After their first bout, 18# considered 'Mighty Mask' pretty strong, she wouldn't consider somebody strong when he isn't even stronger then Son Goku as Super Saiyajin from the Namek Saga, but again this is your opinion. She fought stronger ones, she'd know.

I use the 50x multiplier as well, but in my view that isn't possible.

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I don't think so anyway. If you actually try making power levels from Namek-Buu saga using a 50x increase the whole way I don't think going THAT high... I mean especially as high as 18. Even if you had Goten as strong as Gohan you can't put in any 7 years training for Gohan so Goten can't possibly be stronger than Cell Saga Gohan (And he'd be weaker than that anyway) and I just think it's impossible for a (hypothetical) Super Saiyan Android saga Gohan to be much weaker than the Androids, then 1 year of training and suddenly his base is enough to destroy them effortlessly, not even taking into the account the power he lost.

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At the very very start of the fight I don't think she saw Mighty Mask as anyone more than a regular human, so obviously she went into the fighting with the intent on lightly knocking him out (such as she did to Jewel) then as she kept fighting and Trunks/Goten kept blocking she realized this person was stronger than she fought.
She said they have unusual movements and powerful punches which are both pretty true if she assumed they were human.

Nusu

Aug 12 2011, 02:25 PM

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I don't think so anyway. If you actually try making power levels from Namek-Buu saga using a 50x increase the whole way I don't think going THAT high... I mean especially as high as 18. Even if you had Goten as strong as Gohan you can't put in any 7 years training for Gohan so Goten can't possibly be stronger than Cell Saga Gohan (And he'd be weaker than that anyway) and I just think it's impossible for a (hypothetical) Super Saiyan Android saga Gohan to be much weaker than the Androids, then 1 year of training and suddenly his base is enough to destroy them effortlessly, not even taking into the account the power he lost.

I think the base power's had quite a change after the three years training of the Android Saga. Piccolo for example was dominating 20#, yet he began with a power level that was probably inferior to Son Goku. I doubt Piccolo became naturally stronger then Son Goku, I think they had such big gains. The three years training was in my view a huge power changing factor of the series.

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At the very very start of the fight I don't think she saw Mighty Mask as anyone more than a regular human, so obviously she went into the fighting with the intent on lightly knocking him out (such as she did to Jewel) then as she kept fighting and Trunks/Goten kept blocking she realized this person was stronger than she fought.
She said they have unusual movements and powerful punches which are both pretty true if she assumed they were human.

She knew he wasn't ordinary. And after she saw him flying up in the sky, I probably assume she knew he wasn't human at all.

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I have the SSJ multiplier at 10 from the Android saga onwards because there is an SEG interview from AT saying he pictured the multiplier being 10x in the later stages (ie after Frieza.)

Cocoman_

Aug 12 2011, 02:46 PM

I have the SSJ multiplier at 10 from the Android saga onwards because there is an SEG interview from AT saying he pictured the multiplier being 10x in the later stages (ie after Frieza.)

So in short Vegeta stomps to the max.

Cocoman_

Aug 12 2011, 02:46 PM

I have the SSJ multiplier at 10 from the Android saga onwards because there is an SEG interview from AT saying he pictured the multiplier being 10x in the later stages (ie after Frieza.)

So in short Vegeta stomps to the max.

Kamikaze Pyro

Aug 12 2011, 02:57 PM

Cocoman_

Aug 12 2011, 02:46 PM

I have the SSJ multiplier at 10 from the Android saga onwards because there is an SEG interview from AT saying he pictured the multiplier being 10x in the later stages (ie after Frieza.)

So in short Vegeta stomps to the max.

That presents a problem, though. He said he envisioned the power-up to be 10x, but then that'd only be equal to Kaio-ken x10, which was useless against Freeza. So did he mean 10x what had previously been shown? If so, then that would be 10x Goku's level while using the Kaio-ken x20, which would make him 600,000,000, and we know that's also an impossibility.

Saberoph

Aug 12 2011, 02:50 PM

Cocoman_

Aug 12 2011, 02:46 PM

I have the SSJ multiplier at 10 from the Android saga onwards because there is an SEG interview from AT saying he pictured the multiplier being 10x in the later stages (ie after Frieza.)

So in short Vegeta stomps to the max.

That's kool. Mine is X15, I felt 10 was a little too low, however with me being gone like I was, I've come to change my views on certain things, and will probably post some thoughts later on.

Cocoman_

Aug 12 2011, 03:04 PM

Kamikaze Pyro

Aug 12 2011, 02:57 PM

Cocoman_

Aug 12 2011, 02:46 PM

I have the SSJ multiplier at 10 from the Android saga onwards because there is an SEG interview from AT saying he pictured the multiplier being 10x in the later stages (ie after Frieza.)

So in short Vegeta stomps to the max.

That presents a problem, though. He said he envisioned the power-up to be 10x, but then that'd only be equal to Kaio-ken x10, which was useless against Freeza. So did he mean 10x what had previously been shown? If so, then that would be 10x Goku's level while using the Kaio-ken x20, which would make him 600,000,000, and we know that's also an impossibility.

Ahhh but the Kaioken was basically excluded from the plot. Also it appears that the Kaioken x20 has to much strain on the body for it to be efficient.

Kamikaze Pyro

Aug 12 2011, 03:07 PM

Cocoman_

Aug 12 2011, 03:04 PM

Kamikaze Pyro

Aug 12 2011, 02:57 PM

Cocoman_

Aug 12 2011, 02:46 PM

I have the SSJ multiplier at 10 from the Android saga onwards because there is an SEG interview from AT saying he pictured the multiplier being 10x in the later stages (ie after Frieza.)

So in short Vegeta stomps to the max.

That presents a problem, though. He said he envisioned the power-up to be 10x, but then that'd only be equal to Kaio-ken x10, which was useless against Freeza. So did he mean 10x what had previously been shown? If so, then that would be 10x Goku's level while using the Kaio-ken x20, which would make him 600,000,000, and we know that's also an impossibility.

Ahhh but the Kaioken was basically excluded from the plot. Also it appears that the Kaioken x20 has to much strain on the body for it to be efficient.

I don't think it was excluded at that point since it was still the same battle. And whether it was too strenuous or not wasn't the point, it was the power. Goku was too weak to do anything to Freeza, regardless of strain.

Cocoman_

Aug 12 2011, 03:07 PM

Saberoph

Aug 12 2011, 02:50 PM

Cocoman_

Aug 12 2011, 02:46 PM

I have the SSJ multiplier at 10 from the Android saga onwards because there is an SEG interview from AT saying he pictured the multiplier being 10x in the later stages (ie after Frieza.)

So in short Vegeta stomps to the max.

That's kool. Mine is X15, I felt 10 was a little too low, however with me being gone like I was, I've come to change my views on certain things, and will probably post some thoughts later on.

Nice to see you back btw. Haven't seen you around recently

btw I'm wondering what your thoughts on Broly is now? The general consensus now is that LSSJ Broly movie 10 is stronger than the SSJ2 adults and perhaps on Mr Buu's level...

Teen GohanZ

Aug 12 2011, 02:32 PM

Nusu

Aug 12 2011, 02:25 PM

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I don't think so anyway. If you actually try making power levels from Namek-Buu saga using a 50x increase the whole way I don't think going THAT high... I mean especially as high as 18. Even if you had Goten as strong as Gohan you can't put in any 7 years training for Gohan so Goten can't possibly be stronger than Cell Saga Gohan (And he'd be weaker than that anyway) and I just think it's impossible for a (hypothetical) Super Saiyan Android saga Gohan to be much weaker than the Androids, then 1 year of training and suddenly his base is enough to destroy them effortlessly, not even taking into the account the power he lost.

I think the base power's had quite a change after the three years training of the Android Saga. Piccolo for example was dominating 20#, yet he began with a power level that was probably inferior to Son Goku. I doubt Piccolo became naturally stronger then Son Goku, I think they had such big gains. The three years training was in my view a huge power changing factor of the series.

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At the very very start of the fight I don't think she saw Mighty Mask as anyone more than a regular human, so obviously she went into the fighting with the intent on lightly knocking him out (such as she did to Jewel) then as she kept fighting and Trunks/Goten kept blocking she realized this person was stronger than she fought.
She said they have unusual movements and powerful punches which are both pretty true if she assumed they were human.

She knew he wasn't ordinary. And after she saw him flying up in the sky, I probably assume she knew he wasn't human at all.

I guess, I've always had Piccolo as the exception though, I gave everyone a realistic increase except him while it seems some people use that as a reason to give everyone else huge increases.

And she hadn't seem them fly at the start of the match, it was long after they took off in the air that she actually had a clearly upperhand and knocked him back down.

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And she hadn't seem them fly at the start of the match, it was long after they took off in the air that she actually had a clearly upperhand and knocked him back down.