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SSJ Goku (Namek) vs Piccolo (Android Saga)
Topic Started: Aug 11 2011, 10:57 AM (1,392 Views)
Mark Satan Aug 11 2011, 10:57 AM Post #1
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 Who wins?
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+ Pyrus Aug 11 2011, 10:59 AM Post #2
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 I'd give it to Piccolo easily. I have him a hefty amount stronger than the androids, who I have a decent amount stronger than SSj Future Trunks, who I have a fair amount stronger than this Goku.
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Kruegs Outlandish Aug 11 2011, 11:36 AM Post #3
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Try not to post topic that've already been done... unless this is Piccolo vs 17, then this is a no-brainer.
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J-Smack Aug 11 2011, 03:09 PM Post #4
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 What shows 19 and 20 as strong or stronger than Frieza, besides the fact that they came later in the series?
darkwarrior
 
has anyone ever stopped to think that maybe Trunks just bought his sword somewhere or something? There's nothing really special about it.

Y2J
 
Well it did manage to slice Frieza into a shishkebab so it must've been packing more power than your average blade. Hell even Zelda's sword couldn't pull off that ****.



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I don't believe in power levels after the Frieza Saga. :D
Now, there's an idea.
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Wintergreen5000 Aug 11 2011, 03:25 PM Post #5
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 Well, J-Smack, it's very easy to calculate out. If we were to give Goku a decent 3x increase during the three years he trained, he would be at 450,000,000. It was stated by Piccolo that Goku's power should've been much more staggering than what was being showcased in his fight with 19. Although, I think it was Kami Vegeta [aka: Kamikaze Pyro] that suggested Goku was in fact using full power at first. Disregarding this however, if we were to assume Goku was really operating at a lower level than his full power, let's say 50% to get the point across, the androids would still be stronger than Freeza.

Here is an example:

SSjin Goku [Android Arc; Full Power]: 450,000,000

SSjin Goku [Android Arc; Heart Virus]: 225,000,000

Android 19 [2/3 of Goku's power]: 150,000,000

So you see... most likely Android 19 is superior to Freeza. Keep in mind that a 50% loss of power for Goku is exaggerated, as I myself don't feel he lost that much power. Chances are that 19 is even stronger than what's projected in the example I gave.

If Goku was using 70% of his power then Android 19 would be around 210,000,000, which far outclasses Freeza. I tend to lean towards Goku having lost even less power however, but that's just me.


Since the Androids are stronger than Freeza, and Piccolo obviously showed himself to be superior to them, SSjin Goku [Namek] doesn't stand a chance.
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+ Clearin Aug 11 2011, 03:29 PM Post #6
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 I never really gave Goku a 3x increase so I suppose that's already where my numbers are different.

I have Piccolo around Final Form Freeza's 100% power, maybe a bit more, he could probably give Goku an extremely decent fight but I feel in the end he would lose.
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Wintergreen5000 Aug 11 2011, 03:50 PM Post #7
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 So what kind of increase do you have for Goku then?
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J-Smack Aug 11 2011, 03:56 PM Post #8
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 The increases is where I have trouble. I don't really see how one can even calculate if training increases are exponential or geometrical to figure out if training is a x3 increases or a +300,000,000 increase. Are they any good examples? Zenkais seem to be the only ones, and that really isn't a factor after Frieza.
darkwarrior
 
has anyone ever stopped to think that maybe Trunks just bought his sword somewhere or something? There's nothing really special about it.

Y2J
 
Well it did manage to slice Frieza into a shishkebab so it must've been packing more power than your average blade. Hell even Zelda's sword couldn't pull off that ****.



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I don't believe in power levels after the Frieza Saga. :D
Now, there's an idea.
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Spirit Aug 11 2011, 04:02 PM Post #9
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 I don't think Piccolo could beat SSJ Goku like that. Piccolo could barely last against third form Frieza after syncing with nail. He'd have to be able to take on Frieza at full power just to last against Goku.
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+ Clearin Aug 11 2011, 04:09 PM Post #10
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Aug 11 2011, 03:50 PM
So what kind of increase do you have for Goku then?
A little over double, at 7,000,000 in base.
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POOHEAD189 Aug 11 2011, 04:16 PM Post #11
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Aug 11 2011, 03:29 PM
I never really gave Goku a 3x increase so I suppose that's already where my numbers are different.

I have Piccolo around Final Form Freeza's 100% power, maybe a bit more, he could probably give Goku an extremely decent fight but I feel in the end he would lose.

^This basically

It would last a good while, but it would be Goku in the end.
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Wintergreen5000 Aug 11 2011, 04:16 PM Post #12
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Aug 11 2011, 03:56 PM
The increases is where I have trouble. I don't really see how one can even calculate if training increases are exponential or geometrical to figure out if training is a x3 increases or a +300,000,000 increase. Are they any good examples? Zenkais seem to be the only ones, and that really isn't a factor after Frieza.
Well, it's just my opinion, I don't have any proof that Goku became 3x stronger. But really, you can't prove anything on this matter because nothing is stated about their increases in this time period. But, we do know that Piccolo became much stronger because of the fact that he was able to chop off Dr. Gero's arm. Even if Goku only became 50% stronger than before, which would put him at 225,000,000, then 19 would be around 105,000,000 if I'm not mistaken. This is at his initial level mind you. Dr. Gero is even stronger than 19, and yet Piccolo chopped his arm off. The increase Piccolo would've gained over the three years in order to do that is phenomenal. It's like a what...more than a 100x increase? I don't think Goku achieving a 3x increase is absurd. Even though he has more numbers to go through, I don't find it impossible at all.
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+ Pyrus Aug 11 2011, 08:46 PM Post #13
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Aug 11 2011, 03:25 PM
Well, J-Smack, it's very easy to calculate out. If we were to give Goku a decent 3x increase during the three years he trained, he would be at 450,000,000. It was stated by Piccolo that Goku's power should've been much more staggering than what was being showcased in his fight with 19. Although, I think it was Kami Vegeta [aka: Kamikaze Pyro] that suggested Goku was in fact using full power at first. Disregarding this however, if we were to assume Goku was really operating at a lower level than his full power, let's say 50% to get the point across, the androids would still be stronger than Freeza.

Here is an example:

SSjin Goku [Android Arc; Full Power]: 450,000,000

SSjin Goku [Android Arc; Heart Virus]: 225,000,000

Android 19 [2/3 of Goku's power]: 150,000,000

So you see... most likely Android 19 is superior to Freeza. Keep in mind that a 50% loss of power for Goku is exaggerated, as I myself don't feel he lost that much power. Chances are that 19 is even stronger than what's projected in the example I gave.

If Goku was using 70% of his power then Android 19 would be around 210,000,000, which far outclasses Freeza. I tend to lean towards Goku having lost even less power however, but that's just me.


Since the Androids are stronger than Freeza, and Piccolo obviously showed himself to be superior to them, SSjin Goku [Namek] doesn't stand a chance.
I suggested Goku was operating a level close to his full power, at least. :=]: Somewhere around 85% I'd say.

SSj Vegeta: 475,000,000
SSj Goku: 450,000,000
- 85%: 382,500,000
SSj Trunks: 400,000,000
Piccolo: 290-300,000,000 (falling ~30% below the weakest pre-RoSaT Super Saiyan)

#19: ~215,000,000
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Saberoph Aug 11 2011, 09:21 PM Post #14
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 I see Piccolo winning this quite easily too and here's why...

We know that Trunks when he first arrived was already stronger than Namek SS Goku, and when Goku returns he's about the same if not stronger than Trunks. We also know that on one of the Manga covers (Yes I know not on a panel it's self) shows SS Goku sparring with Piccolo. Piccolo says along the lines that Goku isn't giving it his all against No. 19, who was apparently iirc weaker than No. 20, and Piccolo was toying with him and No. 20 is stronger than Frieza.

So for Piccolo to lose, his increase would have to be small or pretty much nothing, but we know this isn't true. It was presented and backed up that his increase was pretty large, and the Artificial Human arc showed up that Piccolo and the Saiyans left Frieza in the dust, and each arc gave that impression to the last.

So, I see Piccolo having as much trouble beating Namek SS Goku as he had with No. 20.
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+ Pyrus Aug 11 2011, 09:26 PM Post #15
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 I completely agree with you, Saber.

One thing I notice when people keep Piccolo below even 50% Freeza is that they have the androids around the Base Saiyans. I just don't get that logic at all really.
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