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SSJ Gogeta VS Buutenks; Fight
Topic Started: Aug 8 2011, 06:29 PM (3,352 Views)
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There's a dictionary, this is a language. You don't dispute what a word means. That's like Goku saying I have more power, and then you trying to say "define power". Just not called for. You're a big boy, look up the words.


Haha funny. I'm not trying to define what effect is. I'm just saying a Effect can have be a number of things.

I'm saying it's not power. You are. Simple really.
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Aug 14 2011, 02:55 AM
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There's a dictionary, this is a language. You don't dispute what a word means. That's like Goku saying I have more power, and then you trying to say "define power". Just not called for. You're a big boy, look up the words.


Haha funny. I'm not trying to define what effect is. I'm just saying a Effect can have be a number of things.

I'm saying it's not power. You are. Simple really.
So, what happens when your fuse? Power multiples right?


That is your effect from fusing.


Chapter: 501 (DBZ 307), P6.2-6
Elder Kaioshin: “Here! Put this Potara on your left ear! [ ] Put the other one on Gohan’s ear. Just by doing that, you two will be able to merge together! Like with Fusion.”
Goku: “Huh! Re-really!?”
Elder Kaioshin: “Of course. And what’s more, the effect is greater than with Fusion! This has been the trump card treasure of the Kaioshins since long ago.”

if you need me to reference it for you again
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Fulgore
http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8337928&t=8308493
There's a dictionary, this is a language. You don't dispute what a word means. That's like Goku saying I have more power, and then you trying to say "define power". Just not called for. You're a big boy, look up the words.


Haha funny. I'm not trying to define what effect is. I'm just saying a Effect can have be a number of things.

I'm saying it's not power. You are. Simple really.
So, what happens when your fuse? Power multiples right?


That is your effect from fusing.


Chapter: 501 (DBZ 307), P6.2-6
Elder Kaioshin: “Here! Put this Potara on your left ear! [ ] Put the other one on Gohan’s ear. Just by doing that, you two will be able to merge together! Like with Fusion.”
Goku: “Huh! Re-really!?”
Elder Kaioshin: “Of course. And what’s more, the effect is greater than with Fusion! This has been the trump card treasure of the Kaioshins since long ago.”

if you need me to reference it for you again


While they do gain new found powers. Fusion /= Power Many of things can be fused and yet not gain any powers. Also the act of "fusion" is not to gain new power but rather to make a new form.
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...No. There's no disputing this Sasuke. I'm not arguing with you on this, because you're not even arguing a valid point. Gotenks is a PRIME example. Goten and Trunks' power levels were multiplied MANY MANY times to achieve the level of Gotenks. This is the EFFECT of fusion.

Here you go once AGAIN, trying to call into play what a word means. You know what it does, stop dancing around the subject
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Since you want to get techincal. I'll post the meaning of "Fusion"

fu·sion/ˈfyo͞oZHən/
Noun: The process or result of joining two or more things together to form a single entity.

That's it......it means a single entity

So in essence the "greater effect" actually just mean he's more of a balanced/fuller fusion then Gogeta. All of it is then based on our opinions.
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No, that's not what it means.

they’re able to become a single, new human with amazing power that either of them on their own absolutely wouldn’t be capable of. It really is incredible! Those two from Metamor were completely weak and gentle on their own, but by using Fusion they transformed into a substantial warrior! [7]

This is the metamoran fusion's EFFECT. Seriously Sasuke, how many times do I have to show you you're wrong before you just move along and accept it?

Chapter: 469 (DBZ 275), P6.1-7
Goku: “No, not that. I could use Fusion…”
Dende: “Fusion…! Merging together, right? That’s the specialty art of the people of Planet Metamor!”
Goku: “So you know about it, Dende…! That’s right, some people from Metamor who I met in the afterlife taught me that art…It’s a merging technique which can only be performed if two people are fairly close in both power and body size…In other words, by having two people merge into one, they’re able to become a single, new human with amazing power that either of them on their own absolutely wouldn’t be capable of. It really is incredible! Those two from Metamor were completely weak and gentle on their own, but by using Fusion they transformed into a substantial warrior! [7] …I was just taught the art, but I ain’t never tested it out…There wasn’t anybody on par with me in the afterlife…”
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wait did u just say that the dictionary was wrong.............wow
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It's stated in DBZ what the effect of fusion is, and I told him what it was.


All sasuke is trying to do is argue a point that doesn't exist.

In conclusion Sasuke.


Goku is right, and you're arguing against Goku.
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No, that's not what it means.

they’re able to become a single, new human with amazing power that either of them on their own absolutely wouldn’t be capable of. It really is incredible! Those two from Metamor were completely weak and gentle on their own, but by using Fusion they transformed into a substantial warrior! [7]

This is the metamoran fusion's EFFECT. Seriously Sasuke, how many times do I have to show you you're wrong before you just move along and accept it?


Linguistically I'm right though. Were we disagree is your notion that Fusion = Power while I'm saying it applies to a great deal of other meanings.
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No, that's not what it means.

they’re able to become a single, new human with amazing power that either of them on their own absolutely wouldn’t be capable of. It really is incredible! Those two from Metamor were completely weak and gentle on their own, but by using Fusion they transformed into a substantial warrior! [7]

This is the metamoran fusion's EFFECT. Seriously Sasuke, how many times do I have to show you you're wrong before you just move along and accept it?


Linguistically I'm right though. Were we disagree is your notion that Fusion = Power while I'm saying it applies to a great deal of other meanings.
In dbz you're wrong. That's all that matters.

You are arguing individual words, and have done so THREE times now.


You've argued Effect - Power - Fusion.


Done.
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''It's stated in DBZ what the effect of fusion is, and I told him what it was.
All sasuke is trying to do is argue a point that doesn't exist.
In conclusion Sasuke.
Goku is right, and you're arguing against Goku. ''

sasuke is arguing with goku a idiot oh know i wonder who is going to win

either way ur both right
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Strength is where it's really stated. Power however is not stated for Vegito and the fusion characters. "Greater Effect" is actual just that a greater effect. You see it as power I see it has fusion. Enough said.
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Strength is where it's really stated. Power however is not stated for Vegito and the fusion characters. "Greater Effect" is actual just that a greater effect. You see it as power I see it has fusion. Enough said.
What are you talking about? I just quoted you what METAMORAN FUSION's EFFECT was. We know for a FACT, that Potara fusion's effect is GREATER than metamoran Fusion. So, where is the difficulty in understanding this?

How many words do you want to dispute in DBZ???

Also, there is no "Greater Effect" you're making things up, it's a sentence. Not an ability or something of great importance. He's making a statement that Potara fusion is better.
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You know what I think down the line I started arguing against something else. I'll just say Pottara is a better Fusion than Fusion dance. The "greater effect" applies to the character's strength, power, and Fusion. That's all I was getting by to you some how it got all tangled up some where.
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I don't know how I've managed to get into so many debates about this subject(Definition of words) on this forum.. lol

But yes, in review we take fact in Elder kai stating that Potara fusion produces a more powerful fusion in general. Since Goku has stated what the effect of Metamoran fusion is, we have a basis to establish what Potara's fusion effect will be. The only real big factor obviously being power.

Now, I will take a step down from one of my theories that KP has argued. I do think Gogeta would get a rival boost as well, but it would be to a lesser extent.(See Elder kai's statement about Potara fusion's effects being greater than fusion)

So, in conclusion? SSj Gogeta would prolly roflstomp Gotenks Buu, but not on the level of SSj Vegetto
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