SSJ Gogeta VS Buutenks

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SSJ Gogeta VS Buutenks; Fight
Tweet Topic Started: Aug 8 2011, 06:29 PM (3,354 Views)
Saberoph	Aug 12 2011, 03:55 AM Post #31
Posts: 11,517 Group: Member Member #5,650 Joined: January 23, 2011 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Dragon Ball Z	But Elder Kaioshin's statement is the ONLY statement and evidence to go by, and only in the Anime is Chibi Boo said to be the strongest, in the Manga he's only said to be the most dangerous, which was later backed up. With his Fusion statement wasn't contradicted, and Goku's statement inside Super Boo about becoming Gogets backs up Elder Kaioshin's statement. So once again saying that would be dismissing Both statements.
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+ Pyrus	Aug 12 2011, 03:57 AM Post #32
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Sakebi Raitingu Aug 12 2011, 03:51 AM First of all Old Kai's statements are one of the MOST over used one's for saying one is greater. Example A: Kid Buu is stronger because Old Kai says so.. How would Old Kai even know that? He didn't. Kibitoshin said that. Elder Kaioshin was the one asking who Kid Boo was. Quote: He would have to done the fusion himself(meaning both the dance and pottara. All he did was pottara) He couldn't have gotten Fusion is weaker from seeing Gotenks either. He knew about Fusion, so he obviously knew its effects, and therefore had a valid opinion on it. There's nothing that contradicts his statements. Edited by Pyrus, Aug 12 2011, 03:57 AM.
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+ Clearin	Aug 12 2011, 03:57 AM Post #33
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	Sakebi Raitingu Aug 12 2011, 03:51 AM Teen GohanZ http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8336419&t=8308493 I still think Potara is much stronger. I mean I'm pretty sure the gap between SSj Trunks and SSj Goten (Pre time chamber) and Fat Buu wasn't as low as the gap between SSj2 Goku and SSj2 Vegeta compared to Buuhan Okay speak your case please. I can't understand how a statement from a kai in a sword for most of he's life is taken to much out of hand. I'm guessing that wasn't suppose to be a reply to me?



+ Pyrus	Aug 12 2011, 03:58 AM Post #34
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	I think it was.
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+ Clearin	Aug 12 2011, 03:59 AM Post #35
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	My comment had nothing to do with anything Old Kai said o.O



+ Pyrus	Aug 12 2011, 04:01 AM Post #36
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Teen GohanZ Aug 12 2011, 03:59 AM My comment had nothing to do with anything Old Kai said o.O You believe the Potara is a lot stronger due to Elder Kaioshin's statement, right? I think he was referring to that.
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Saberoph	Aug 12 2011, 04:03 AM Post #37
Posts: 11,517 Group: Member Member #5,650 Joined: January 23, 2011 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Dragon Ball Z	I just wanna see a valid argument proving Elder Kaioshin was wrong, and see it done with the Manga(Not a Fanslation either) and the Diaz.
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+ Clearin	Aug 12 2011, 04:03 AM Post #38
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	Kamikaze Pyro Aug 12 2011, 04:01 AM Teen GohanZ Aug 12 2011, 03:59 AM My comment had nothing to do with anything Old Kai said o.O You believe the Potara is a lot stronger due to Elder Kaioshin's statement, right? I think he was referring to that. I was comparing the 2 by using Fat Buu >>>>>>> Goten and Trunks Gotenks >> Fat Buu Buuhan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Goku and Vegeta Vegetto >>> Super Buu Something like that anyway. Of course I don't take the rival boost into account but to close such a massive gap, it'd have to be a huge boost Edited by Clearin, Aug 12 2011, 04:03 AM.



~~Destiny~~	Aug 12 2011, 06:38 AM Post #39
Posts: 7,206 Group: GTFO Member #5,331 Joined: October 16, 2010	Kamikaze Pyro http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8336444&t=8308493 Sakebi Raitingu Aug 12 2011, 03:51 AM First of all Old Kai's statements are one of the MOST over used one's for saying one is greater. Example A: Kid Buu is stronger because Old Kai says so.. How would Old Kai even know that? He didn't. Kibitoshin said that. Elder Kaioshin was the one asking who Kid Boo was. Quote: He would have to done the fusion himself(meaning both the dance and pottara. All he did was pottara) He couldn't have gotten Fusion is weaker from seeing Gotenks either. He knew about Fusion, so he obviously knew its effects, and therefore had a valid opinion on it. There's nothing that contradicts his statements. He knew about Fusion? Where is it implied? I saw it as him thinking pottara was stronger due to it being from the Kai's(which in he's mind means Kai anything > Underrelem beings) One reason some believe Fusion is weaker is because you have to lower your level to fuse. That's to find balance in the fusion which is ideally better imo. Rather than having one side totally dominate as Goku's did in Vegeito. Saberoph I just wanna see a valid argument proving Elder Kaioshin was wrong, and see it done with the Manga(Not a Fanslation either) and the Diaz. Is isn't the it could be disproven rather I'm pointing out that it's claim to accurate is wrong.



+ Pyrus	Aug 12 2011, 06:44 AM Post #40
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Sakebi Raitingu Aug 12 2011, 06:38 AM Kamikaze Pyro http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8336444&t=8308493 Sakebi Raitingu Aug 12 2011, 03:51 AM First of all Old Kai's statements are one of the MOST over used one's for saying one is greater. Example A: Kid Buu is stronger because Old Kai says so.. How would Old Kai even know that? He didn't. Kibitoshin said that. Elder Kaioshin was the one asking who Kid Boo was. Quote: He would have to done the fusion himself(meaning both the dance and pottara. All he did was pottara) He couldn't have gotten Fusion is weaker from seeing Gotenks either. He knew about Fusion, so he obviously knew its effects, and therefore had a valid opinion on it. There's nothing that contradicts his statements. He knew about Fusion? Where is it implied? I saw it as him thinking pottara was stronger due to it being from the Kai's(which in he's mind means Kai anything > Underrelem beings) One reason some believe Fusion is weaker is because you have to lower your level to fuse. That's to find balance in the fusion which is ideally better imo. Rather than having one side totally dominate as Goku's did in Vegeito. Saberoph I just wanna see a valid argument proving Elder Kaioshin was wrong, and see it done with the Manga(Not a Fanslation either) and the Diaz. Is isn't the it could be disproven rather I'm pointing out that it's claim to accurate is wrong. Chapter: 501 (DBZ 307), P6.2-6 Elder Kaioshin: “Here! Put this Potara on your left ear! [ ] Put the other one on Gohan’s ear. Just by doing that, you two will be able to merge together! Like with Fusion.” Goku: “Huh! Re-really!?” Elder Kaioshin: “Of course. And what’s more, the effect is greater than with Fusion! This has been the trump card treasure of the Kaioshins since long ago.” So he clearly knows what Fusion is or he wouldn't have been able to say that.
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~~Destiny~~	Aug 12 2011, 06:54 AM Post #41
Posts: 7,206 Group: GTFO Member #5,331 Joined: October 16, 2010	Kamikaze Pyro http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8336511&t=8308493 Sakebi Raitingu Aug 12 2011, 06:38 AM Kamikaze Pyro http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8336444&t=8308493 Sakebi Raitingu Aug 12 2011, 03:51 AM First of all Old Kai's statements are one of the MOST over used one's for saying one is greater. Example A: Kid Buu is stronger because Old Kai says so.. How would Old Kai even know that? He didn't. Kibitoshin said that. Elder Kaioshin was the one asking who Kid Boo was. Quote: He would have to done the fusion himself(meaning both the dance and pottara. All he did was pottara) He couldn't have gotten Fusion is weaker from seeing Gotenks either. He knew about Fusion, so he obviously knew its effects, and therefore had a valid opinion on it. There's nothing that contradicts his statements. He knew about Fusion? Where is it implied? I saw it as him thinking pottara was stronger due to it being from the Kai's(which in he's mind means Kai anything > Underrelem beings) One reason some believe Fusion is weaker is because you have to lower your level to fuse. That's to find balance in the fusion which is ideally better imo. Rather than having one side totally dominate as Goku's did in Vegeito. Saberoph I just wanna see a valid argument proving Elder Kaioshin was wrong, and see it done with the Manga(Not a Fanslation either) and the Diaz. Is isn't the it could be disproven rather I'm pointing out that it's claim to accurate is wrong. Chapter: 501 (DBZ 307), P6.2-6 Elder Kaioshin: “Here! Put this Potara on your left ear! [ ] Put the other one on Gohan’s ear. Just by doing that, you two will be able to merge together! Like with Fusion.” Goku: “Huh! Re-really!?” Elder Kaioshin: “Of course. And what’s more, the effect is greater than with Fusion! This has been the trump card treasure of the Kaioshins since long ago.” So he clearly knows what Fusion is or he wouldn't have been able to say that. I suppose. I'll cave in only because that knowledge would be available to them being "Gods" and all. Though I could go technical on you and pinpoint the debate in which Gogeta and Vegito are argued about. What does "effect is greater than with fusion" actually mean. I've seen it argued quite well that it might stand for time limit though that would seem to little of a meaning to capture the "greater than" comment. Though that's for another topic for another day. Still think Gogeta wins though.



+ Pyrus	Aug 12 2011, 06:59 AM Post #42
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	No, I agree that Vegetto isn't leaps and bounds ahead of Gogeta. I think that's what you're arguing anyway. Personally, I find that line about the effect being greater to mean the Potara method just creates a more "full" fighter. I don't really know how to explain it...
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~~Destiny~~	Aug 12 2011, 07:05 AM Post #43
Posts: 7,206 Group: GTFO Member #5,331 Joined: October 16, 2010	Kamikaze Pyro http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8336525&t=8308493 No, I agree that Vegetto isn't leaps and bounds ahead of Gogeta. I think that's what you're arguing anyway. Personally, I find that line about the effect being greater to mean the Potara method just creates a more "full" fighter. I don't really know how to explain it... I hold that position too as well though slightly different. Gogeta would be the "balanced" fighter while Vegito be more powerful or "fuller" as you said it. That makes sense right? Unless those two words are synonyms to each other.



Saberoph	Aug 12 2011, 01:29 PM Post #44
Posts: 11,517 Group: Member Member #5,650 Joined: January 23, 2011 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Dragon Ball Z	Quote: Is isn't the it could be disproven rather I'm pointing out that it's claim to accurate is wrong. But there isn't anything in nor the Diaz or the Manga contradicting Elder Kaioshin's statement, his statement is all we have to go by. I also believe Vegetto isn't leaps and bounds above Gogeta, I even made that known in my PL lists.
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+ Clearin	Aug 12 2011, 01:30 PM Post #45
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	So you guys have the rival boost to be THAT extreme?



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