Base Goku (Android Saga) vs Tien (Android Saga)

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Base Goku (Android Saga) vs Tien (Android Saga)
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Mark Satan	Aug 8 2011, 02:49 AM Post #1
Posts: 88 Group: Duplicate Member #6,428 Joined: June 29, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz	Who wins?



+ Pyrus	Aug 8 2011, 02:52 AM Post #2
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	This is a total stomp in favor of Goku. I can't see Tenshinhan making up such a large gap in so little time. I mean, he was at 1,800 (my number) while Goku was at 3,000,000. That's a 1,666x gap, and I don't see Tenshinhan increasing his strength that quickly in four years and some odd months, especially since Goku was also continuing to increase his power. I see Goku increasing his power by at least 2.5-3x over the 3 years, so I don't know how Tenshinhan would catch up. Tenshinhan (end of Kaio's training): ~90,000 Goku (post-Yardrat): 4,000,000 That's a 44x gap. Definitely easier to get through than a 1,000+ gap, but still something I don't see him doing. Edited by Pyrus, Aug 8 2011, 02:55 AM.
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TrunksinSwimmingTrunks	Aug 8 2011, 04:19 AM Post #3
Formerly known as daman Posts: 8,651 Group: Member Member #5,599 Joined: January 6, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country Canada Favourite Anime One Piece, Gintama, You and Me, Haibane Renmei, Initial D, FMAB, No. 6, Wtt NHK! , Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Tortoises were made to live not be used. Stormo/Pedy/Nims/songohanfrancais whereru Favourite Manga Dorohedoro,IamaHero, Again!!, All Rounder Meguru,RRR,Berserk,Dragon Boru. Ninjajp/Slayerslice appeal	Goku stomps imo.
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Frostmourne	Aug 8 2011, 09:15 AM Post #4
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Balthazor	Aug 8 2011, 10:18 AM Post #5
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Sachiel	Aug 8 2011, 10:38 PM Post #6
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~~Cocoman~~	Aug 8 2011, 11:16 PM Post #7
Badabing! Posts: 1,913 Group: Suspended Member #5,983 Joined: April 7, 2011 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragonball/Z	My initial Android arc pls are as follows; Vegeta: 37,000,000 (SSJ 370,000,000) Goku: 36,000,000 (SSJ 360,000,000) Goku(sick-initial): 27,000,000 (SSJ 270,000,000) post KHH: (90,000,000) Piccolo: 280,000,000 c19: 210,000,000 (post absorption-1: 220,000,000 -2: 240,000,000) c20: 220,000,000 (post absorption: 250,000,000) Gohan: 25,000,000 Tien: 22,000,000 Krillen: 19,000,000 Yamcha: 8,000,000. So even when Goku is sickish he still wins.
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~~Cocoman~~	Aug 8 2011, 11:17 PM Post #8
Badabing! Posts: 1,913 Group: Suspended Member #5,983 Joined: April 7, 2011 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragonball/Z	Kamikaze Pyro Aug 8 2011, 02:52 AM This is a total stomp in favor of Goku. I can't see Tenshinhan making up such a large gap in so little time. I mean, he was at 1,800 (my number) while Goku was at 3,000,000. That's a 1,666x gap, and I don't see Tenshinhan increasing his strength that quickly in four years and some odd months, especially since Goku was also continuing to increase his power. I see Goku increasing his power by at least 2.5-3x over the 3 years, so I don't know how Tenshinhan would catch up. Tenshinhan (end of Kaio's training): ~90,000 Goku (post-Yardrat): 4,000,000 That's a 44x gap. Definitely easier to get through than a 1,000+ gap, but still something I don't see him doing. Dang son. 90k? Dude. Where's my car? Also I have already explained why the 50x SSJ multiplier doesn't work in terms of the base Saiyan's pls. It would mean that Piccolo would increase by 100'sx yet Gohan would only increase by 10-15x even though they both only have the one form form to train. Highly illogical imo. Edited by Cocoman, Aug 8 2011, 11:20 PM.
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+ Pyrus	Aug 9 2011, 12:15 AM Post #9
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Cocoman_ Aug 8 2011, 11:17 PM Kamikaze Pyro Aug 8 2011, 02:52 AM This is a total stomp in favor of Goku. I can't see Tenshinhan making up such a large gap in so little time. I mean, he was at 1,800 (my number) while Goku was at 3,000,000. That's a 1,666x gap, and I don't see Tenshinhan increasing his strength that quickly in four years and some odd months, especially since Goku was also continuing to increase his power. I see Goku increasing his power by at least 2.5-3x over the 3 years, so I don't know how Tenshinhan would catch up. Tenshinhan (end of Kaio's training): ~90,000 Goku (post-Yardrat): 4,000,000 That's a 44x gap. Definitely easier to get through than a 1,000+ gap, but still something I don't see him doing. Dang son. 90k? Dude. Where's my car? Also I have already explained why the 50x SSJ multiplier doesn't work in terms of the base Saiyan's pls. It would mean that Piccolo would increase by 100'sx yet Gohan would only increase by 10-15x even though they both only have the one form form to train. Highly illogical imo. Is 90k too high or too low? I just thought a little more than 2x what Goku got would please most people... I can still use a 50x multiplier up until the RoSaT. I don't see a problem with Piccolo gaining upwards of 100x, considering he could've still been harnessing the power of Nail, giving him a bigger training increase, which helped him grow exponentially in the beginning and then slowed as the time passed. Gohan had potential, but he didn't have a whole 'nother person inside him helping him to grow. That's how I explain it without having to lower the multiplier. Normally I do use 40-45x, but 50x still works for me. Edited by Pyrus, Aug 9 2011, 12:16 AM.
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+ Clearin	Aug 9 2011, 12:17 AM Post #10
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	I have Goku winning this quite easily, maybe a little over double Tien's power.



~~Cocoman~~	Aug 9 2011, 12:26 AM Post #11
Badabing! Posts: 1,913 Group: Suspended Member #5,983 Joined: April 7, 2011 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragonball/Z	Kamikaze Pyro Aug 9 2011, 12:15 AM Cocoman_ Aug 8 2011, 11:17 PM Kamikaze Pyro Aug 8 2011, 02:52 AM This is a total stomp in favor of Goku. I can't see Tenshinhan making up such a large gap in so little time. I mean, he was at 1,800 (my number) while Goku was at 3,000,000. That's a 1,666x gap, and I don't see Tenshinhan increasing his strength that quickly in four years and some odd months, especially since Goku was also continuing to increase his power. I see Goku increasing his power by at least 2.5-3x over the 3 years, so I don't know how Tenshinhan would catch up. Tenshinhan (end of Kaio's training): ~90,000 Goku (post-Yardrat): 4,000,000 That's a 44x gap. Definitely easier to get through than a 1,000+ gap, but still something I don't see him doing. Dang son. 90k? Dude. Where's my car? Also I have already explained why the 50x SSJ multiplier doesn't work in terms of the base Saiyan's pls. It would mean that Piccolo would increase by 100'sx yet Gohan would only increase by 10-15x even though they both only have the one form form to train. Highly illogical imo. Is 90k too high or too low? I just thought a little more than 2x what Goku got would please most people... I can still use a 50x multiplier up until the RoSaT. I don't see a problem with Piccolo gaining upwards of 100x, considering he could've still been harnessing the power of Nail, giving him a bigger training increase, which helped him grow exponentially in the beginning and then slowed as the time passed. Gohan had potential, but he didn't have a whole 'nother person inside him helping him to grow. That's how I explain it without having to lower the multiplier. Normally I do use 40-45x, but 50x still works for me. Ahhh your working with those multipliers. I was working with a 20x and then a 10x increase (390-ish K) and then taking into consideration the lack of technique training and time it taken to adjust to the gravity/catch bubbles compared to Goku (500-ish K). Besides I think Piccolo post 1 week King Kai's emphasises the difference in training they received.
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+ Pyrus	Aug 9 2011, 12:43 AM Post #12
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Are you talking about Tenshinhan for that first part?
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POOHEAD189	Aug 9 2011, 12:53 AM Post #13
Posts: 3,186 Group: Member Member #4,559 Joined: October 30, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z Favourite Manga Dragonball	I have Tenshinhan at 700,000 post king Kai's training. Goku at 3.8 million post Yardrat. A pretty big difference still, I would say. In the android saga, I have Base Goku at 7-7.5 million, and Tien at 10 million.
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+ Pyrus	Aug 9 2011, 12:57 AM Post #14
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	POOHEAD189 Aug 9 2011, 12:53 AM I have Tenshinhan at 700,000 post king Kai's training. Goku at 3.8 million post Yardrat. A pretty big difference still, I would say. In the android saga, I have Base Goku at 7-7.5 million, and Tien at 10 million. What the crap? How in the world did Tenshinhan pass up Goku, of all people? He had a huge gap to make up and it's not like Goku was slouching the entire time.
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POOHEAD189	Aug 9 2011, 01:15 AM Post #15
Posts: 3,186 Group: Member Member #4,559 Joined: October 30, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z Favourite Manga Dragonball	Kamikaze Pyro Aug 9 2011, 12:57 AM POOHEAD189 Aug 9 2011, 12:53 AM I have Tenshinhan at 700,000 post king Kai's training. Goku at 3.8 million post Yardrat. A pretty big difference still, I would say. In the android saga, I have Base Goku at 7-7.5 million, and Tien at 10 million. What the crap? How in the world did Tenshinhan pass up Goku, of all people? He had a huge gap to make up and it's not like Goku was slouching the entire time. Because a few reasons. I believe the reason why z-fighters go from gaining 300 powerlevel after 18 years to gaining millions in a few years is because of their training. Roshi, Korin, Kami, and King Kai all taught them techniques, but they also taught them training techniques on how to get stronger, faster. Tien and Goku were both even at the 22nd tourney. Soon afterwards, thanks to the sacred water and possible Zenkai, Goku surpassed Tien, and then he surpassed him further through Kami's training. At the 23rd tourney, Goku was more than a match for Tien because of this. Tien was still a challenge to Goku with weights on however. This leads me to believe that, had Goku not gotten the sacred water or kami's training, he might have lost against Tien. Goku himself said Tien was amazing and incredible throughout the entire tourney. When Tien went to recieve Kami's training, he recieved more results in a third of the time than Goku. Afterwards they both trained on their own, and as we all know, Goku dies and goes to king kai's place. He gains a 20x increase in 88 days of training. Tien asks for harder training, he gets more sparring partners, and he stays at King Kai's planet longer than anyone. Of course Goku with his Zenkai is still more powerful when they next meet. Then they start training again. Goku spars with Piccolo, but unlike the usual sparring, he needs to help and in the beginning even "baby" piccolo and gohan to get stronger too. Which is why Piccolo is over 100 million like most people on this site agree. Tien had no restraints, unless you count Chaozu as one, but his training with Tien probably isnt a restraint because it has never stopped him from getting great results before, and honestly I think choazu is there more to help Tien then vice versa. I would think then that Tien would have increased greatly in those three years, because of his previous accomplishments and training techniques he has been taught. That, and I put the Shin KiKoho Muliplier by 120x normal power. I think giving it anything more than that is ridiculious. I have Semi Perfect Cell at 1300 million or more. Tien never hurt him, he just pushed him back, which leads me to believe its close to his power, but it does not quite reach it. From Tien's history, and the fact that 10x120=1200 (which is close to 1300), Tien must be at least 10 million in my opinion. I know no one else will believe me or say its bullsh*t. Whatevs. I'm just stating whats in my power list.
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