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| Base Goku (Buu arc saga) VS Bio-Broly; Fight | |
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| + Clearin | Aug 12 2011, 04:45 PM Post #61 |
 
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I think so. Ninja said Goten and Trunks were haxxed in movie 11 (Which I don't see since the only other Z fighters to compare them to is Krillin and 18, both of which the boys are stronger than in canon and this movie) but Ill said the only movie they weren't the right power was movie 10, due to being weaker than base Gohan. Edited by Clearin, Aug 12 2011, 04:47 PM.
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| Wintergreen5000 | Aug 12 2011, 04:52 PM Post #62 |
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You're making the assumption that because Gohan is training he is not going to use full power. I disagree with that. I believe that because he is going to train he is going to use his full, natural Super Saiyan strength. I mean, he's training for the tournament...why wouldn't he? Furthermore, there are no statements that he's using three-quarters of his strength, or what have you. All that's shown is he turns into a Super Saiyan, and Goten seems to be able to keep up with him. Gohan's facial expressions tell us that much. Secondly, Goten, at least not in my manga book, doesn't say that Gohan is stronger. He says that Gohan was awesome, and that he couldn't land one hit on him, which doesn't reflect that Gohan is stronger per se, only more skilled if anything. Gohan then replies that Goten himself has a lot of talent, and that he never guessed he was that good. I'm not denying the fact that even though one may be supressed, it doesn't mean that they won't sweat if hard pressed. What I am denying on the contrary is the proof, or lack thereof, that Gohan held back on Goten in the first place. I think counting the sweat marks is a little over the top. No one knows how long they'd been sparring either, but considering they'd started at the same time, then both would seem to be on the same level. Again, nothing saying that Gohan is supressed, nor would I expect him to be considering he's trying to become stronger for the tournament. |
 
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Aug 12 2011, 04:52 PM Post #63 |
 
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dont you see that htats my issue? gohan wasnt holding back becausei t was goten he held back because he misread gotens power, (he had to) he didnt even power up until he realized goten wasgonna be a handful. The initial sparring match is what im trying to get across, before the 25th budokai i just dont see goten being stronger than namek saga goku, after the training he was scared he would kill 18 witha single blast, hell of a jump. Its NOT because goten is a kid, its because its impossible to just flat out state that he had such superstrength automatically, for HIM yes he was at full power, but how does his full power EQUATE to gohans? you saying that is saying he's just as strong in base, when all ssj is is a x50 multiplier, if you arent as strrong as me naturally and we both get a x50 boost, guess who is still stronger? exactly, not much will change between US, will it? im just saying tht it doesnt seem right that playing with trunks and being trained by chi chi will put him on such a high level with virtually no super saiyan training. The techniques get more refined over the years, whittled down to a science, so they teach their kids, thts called progression but for me to believe goten is just as strong as gohan with no training? makes no sense, also the reason gohan blocked everything, becaue goten isnt on the level, once the training started things got different cause then he no longer had to hide and would get the proper training he would need in order to nurture his powers and let them mature. But him being as strong as gohan in base and into ssj is just impossible on so many levels. NONE of which has to do with him being a kid. |
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| Wintergreen5000 | Aug 12 2011, 05:24 PM Post #64 |
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Gohan had no training, and yet he cracked Raditz' armor. Trunks and Goten were naturally gifted and that's the point. This is stated quite a few times, and it is self-evident. Vegeta didn't know that Trunks could become a Super Saiyan until just before the tournement, and yet, all the while Trunks and Goten were playing "showdown". So whether they knew it or not while playing, they were training. but I'm not suggesting that play-like training made them as strong as they are. Trunks showcases his power against Super Saiyan Vegeta when he tries to hit him. You think Vegeta would have much of a problem dodging if Trunks was on SSjin Goku's level from Namek? No, just look at the manga panel in volume 20 pages 125-126. He seems to be trying decently to dodge. Now, obviously, I'm not suggesting that Trunks is near Vegeta's level. But I wouldn't say that he's very very far behind either. But what I don't get in your post is the first part. Something about Gohan not having really powered up until he realized Goten was going to be a handful? He powered up once, and afterwards Goten powered up. Then they sparred. Goten made Gohan really try to block his hits, and they weren't no sissy ones at that. Nobody suppressed their power. We know that Goten is around Cyborg 18's level, seeing their powers displayed in the tournament. But for all we know 18 may have found a way to become stronger somehow since she is in fact half-human. You might be onto something about the multiplier, but I for one don't really know much about power levels and the like. I'd leave that for somebody who actually tries to calculate it all out. I don't know where Gohan stands in base compared to Goten's base. But I'll tell you what... their Super Saiyan levels aren't far apart. But all that aside, Goten and Trunks are naturally gifted with power, most likely due to the fact that Goku was a Super Saiyan when Goten was conceived, so apparenly some kind of Super Saiyan genes were amplified in the boy's dna, making it easier for him to access the form. And most likely the same is true for Kid Trunks. How could they have reached Super Saiyan anyway when neither of them had known no trauma or terror? Again it was natural. Natural that they could so easily achieve Super Saiyan, something that took Goku and Vegeta years to do...and natural that their fighting power was so high. But there is no way Goten would be at SSjin Goku's namek arc level and be able to make Gohan move and block the way he did when they first sparred. To do that, he has to be much much closer to his level. And again, Gohan never said to have suppressed his power, nor would he have reason to considering he's training to get stronger for the tournament. He straightout says: "I guess I'll start off as Super Saiyan", not "I guess I'll start off with half my strength as Super Saiyan." That wouldn't make sense considering that initially he was going to train by himself. So why would he train to get stronger at a lower level than his max?? And he doesn't power down to fight Goten when he suggests they spar either. |
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Aug 12 2011, 05:47 PM Post #65 |
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That's the neatest looking wall of text I've ever seen. But that's expected from you illsuionaire. I'll give to ya straight Broly is only hurt by water in that movie no? Then go needs to be closer to the water for a better chance at winning even if I think he'll win anyway. |
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Aug 12 2011, 11:58 PM Post #66 |
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Sound like semantics illusionaire, i said that he powered up to match goten, goten was already going all out and gohan misread him, how hard is that to understand as he's assessing his brothers strength IN BASE while still dodging all these earth shattering blows you are mentioning. He realizes goten is too strong to fight off and powers up, clear as day. Him being a master super saiyan AUTOMATICALLY puts him in the able to control his power level category. He went to match gotens level no problem, doesnt have to think about it maybe? automatic sense, he knows how to use his powers. You keep mentioning the tournament and going hard, who said he wasnt? youre missing the whole point on matching gotens power level which was stronger than he initially thought. Just sounds like semantics to me. Plus im talking about the stand off BEFORE they went to go train and then the ONE PANEL of training possibly during or after a short/long amount of time goes by.
Edited by Paikuan extreme, Aug 13 2011, 12:00 AM.
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| Wintergreen5000 | Aug 16 2011, 05:28 PM Post #67 |
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You know, I get tired of arguing the same thing. I can only right so many paragraphs on why Goten and Gohan are equal in power. So I'm going to try and keep this post brief and to the point. 1. You say that Gohan realizes Goten is too strong and Gohan powers up a SECOND time whilst fighting Goten-is that what I'm reading? The reason why I'm having a hard time understanding what you're saying is because I'm looking back and forth between my manga book and what you're saying on my computer and I see no common ground at all. Gohan only powers up one time: to train. After that he doesn't power up or down to fight Goten. When Gohan powers up it is before he even suggests that he and Goten spar. There is only one power-up, not two. I can be assured of that much if anything. 2. No doubt that him being a MSSjin gives him great control over the Super Saiyan form, and he is able to use different levels of power within the Super Saiyan form's limits at will, but that isn't exactly proof that Gohan lowered his level to face Goten, since it wasn't stated or even hinted at through some kind of power-down instance right before their fight. So, you're basically saying that it was invisible but it happened. That won't fly with me. Again, I won't deny that he could do that, but no evidence that he did that. |
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Aug 16 2011, 05:55 PM Post #68 |
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Im going with bio-broly as well. 
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| Wintergreen5000 | Aug 16 2011, 06:00 PM Post #69 |
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What's the thread about again? LOL |
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Wow.
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