Base Goku (Buu arc saga) VS Bio-Broly

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Base Goku (Buu arc saga) VS Bio-Broly; Fight
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~~Paikuan extreme~~	Aug 11 2011, 05:31 PM Post #31
Posts: 5,568 Group: Suspended Member #5,921 Joined: March 29, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? ie9 Favourite Manga akira	You have claim to given me proof i dont acdept, what was that exactly, a pretty speech? no way have you proven goten is stronger. No way you can. KP: really goten is the only going all out and hes not trying to hurt his brothers feelings? he even admitted gohan was better, i dont know what advantage you claim goten has, but going toe to toe with a suppressed gohan while ssj isnt very impressive to me. Gohan powered up to fight only cause he realized goten was stronger than he perceived, if gohan wasnt suppressed then why admit it? why would goten admit it? a suppressed rusty gohan is acquiesced to by his brother who thought he had caught up and proven HIMSELF wrong, yet just throw out what he says in support of your argument? still not feeling this here guys.



.Impression™	Aug 11 2011, 05:35 PM Post #32
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+ Clearin	Aug 11 2011, 05:36 PM Post #33
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	.Impression™ Aug 11 2011, 05:35 PM What movie is bio broly from> The 11th movie, I think it's just called "Bio Broly".



POOHEAD189	Aug 11 2011, 05:36 PM Post #34
Posts: 3,186 Group: Member Member #4,559 Joined: October 30, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z Favourite Manga Dragonball	Quote: You say that you have always been of the opinion that Goten could not be as strong as SSjin Gohan, but based off what? Well, assuming you mean its SSJ Goten vs. SSJ Gohan, I would base it off the fact that Goten constantly looks to Gohan as a source of strength, and is always amazed at Gohan's abilities. You could say that that is because lil Goten is a wide eyed little kid, but here in the manga... Chapter: 427 (DBZ 233), P12.2-6 Context: after Gohan and Goten spar a little bit Goten: “But you really are amazing, big brother! I couldn’t even hit you once.” Gohan: “You’re very gifted at grappling too, Goten! You really surprised me! I hadn’t known you were that good! If you train well, maybe you’ll be able to enter the Tenkaichi Budoukai too!?” Goten: “Really!? But Trunks is even stronger t runks is even stronger than me. We play-fight together!” Gohan: “Really!? That’s how you guys have been playing?...thinking If I’m not careful, I’ll be outstripped…by these little squirts…” This is implying that if Gohan stops training for a few more years, and these kids keep getting better, then they will eventually get better than him/more powerful. Quote: But the thing is I can just as easily say Goten was suppressed in order to not hurt his older brother's feelings... Do you honestly see Goten doing that? He looks up to his older brother, he doesn't pity him. If anyone would hold back to keep them from being discouraged, it would be Gohan. Edited by POOHEAD189, Aug 11 2011, 05:38 PM.
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~~Paikuan extreme~~	Aug 11 2011, 08:21 PM Post #35
Posts: 5,568 Group: Suspended Member #5,921 Joined: March 29, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? ie9 Favourite Manga akira	and thats how i interpreted it as well, i thought it was obvious goten was fighting a suppresed gohan. He is strong but not THAT strong. ssj goten> kid gohan but only because gohan couldnt go ssj before the mssj training even though he had the power of one, or was close to their level. Once he hit mssj? he surpassed goku, no way is ssj goten stronger than cell arc goku, namek saga yes. cell? no.



+ Clearin	Aug 11 2011, 08:24 PM Post #36
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	Ninjajp247 Aug 11 2011, 08:21 PM and thats how i interpreted it as well, i thought it was obvious goten was fighting a suppresed gohan. He is strong but not THAT strong. ssj goten> kid gohan but only because gohan couldnt go ssj before the mssj training even though he had the power of one, or was close to their level. Once he hit mssj? he surpassed goku, no way is ssj goten stronger than cell arc goku, namek saga yes. cell? no. I actually agree with you about the suppressed Gohan thing. Just because he's suppressed doesn't mean he doesn't have to put any effort in, Did Cell seem to be working hard against Goku despite being suppressed? Yes... Also Gohan says they MIGHT catch up to him if he gets lazy, not that they HAVE caught up to him. (Not to mention Goten's lines about Gohan being better)



+ Pyrus	Aug 11 2011, 08:27 PM Post #37
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	POOHEAD189 http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8335983&t=8308302 Do you honestly see Goten doing that? He looks up to his older brother, he doesn't pity him. If anyone would hold back to keep them from being discouraged, it would be Gohan. I was using the same logic others do when saying Gohan held back so much power against Gohan. Ninjajp247 http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8335977&t=8308302 KP: really goten is the only going all out and hes not trying to hurt his brothers feelings? he even admitted gohan was better, i dont know what advantage you claim goten has, but going toe to toe with a suppressed gohan while ssj isnt very impressive to me. Gohan powered up to fight only cause he realized goten was stronger than he perceived, if gohan wasnt suppressed then why admit it? why would goten admit it? a suppressed rusty gohan is acquiesced to by his brother who thought he had caught up and proven HIMSELF wrong, yet just throw out what he says in support of your argument? still not feeling this here guys. The thing is Goten said Gohan was superior to him during their first sparring session. Their second sparring session shows a completely different fight than their first.
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+ Clearin	Aug 11 2011, 08:29 PM Post #38
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	Kamikaze Pyro Aug 11 2011, 08:27 PM Their second sparring session shows a completely different fight than their first. Their second sparring session was a single panel



* Yu Narukami	Aug 11 2011, 08:37 PM Post #39
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	One thing you've got to consider. Logically, SSJ Goten is going up against MSSJ Gohan. Gohan has the advantage due to the pros of that form whereas Goten is using the normal SSJ form. MSSJ Gohan (Post-Training) >= SSJ Goten (Post-Training) > MSSJ Gohan (Pre-Training) >= SSJ Goten (Pre-Training) > Base Goku > Base Gohan >= Base Goten On topic, it depends on what form of Bio-Broly you're talking about. Either way; Bio-Broly > Base Goku (Buu Arc)



+ Pyrus	Aug 11 2011, 08:52 PM Post #40
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Mirai Trunks Aug 11 2011, 08:37 PM One thing you've got to consider. Logically, SSJ Goten is going up against MSSJ Gohan. Gohan has the advantage due to the pros of that form whereas Goten is using the normal SSJ form. MSSJ Gohan (Post-Training) >= SSJ Goten (Post-Training) > MSSJ Gohan (Pre-Training) >= SSJ Goten (Pre-Training) > Base Goku > Base Gohan >= Base Goten On topic, it depends on what form of Bio-Broly you're talking about. Either way; Bio-Broly > Base Goku (Buu Arc) I agree with your placement, but I don't agree that Goten was a normal Super Saiyan. By that time, I think Toriyama just said "Ah ***** it, everybody's a Mastered Super Saiyan". @TGZ: Yes, and? It was a montage of everybody training for the tournament. You think they'd get more than one panel for some reason? That one panel was supposed to represent their standings.
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+ Clearin	Aug 11 2011, 08:57 PM Post #41
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	Kamikaze Pyro Aug 11 2011, 08:52 PM @TGZ: Yes, and? It was a montage of everybody training for the tournament. You think they'd get more than one panel for some reason? That one panel was supposed to represent their standings. You're using a single panel as your evidence? There's way to much to take into account... How long they'd be doing it How serious they both are etc etc



+ Pyrus	Aug 11 2011, 09:23 PM Post #42
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Teen GohanZ Aug 11 2011, 08:57 PM Kamikaze Pyro Aug 11 2011, 08:52 PM @TGZ: Yes, and? It was a montage of everybody training for the tournament. You think they'd get more than one panel for some reason? That one panel was supposed to represent their standings. You're using a single panel as your evidence? There's way to much to take into account... How long they'd be doing it How serious they both are etc etc Well, yeah, that one panel is all we have, aside from a few guidebook statements, but you've already quickly dismissed those, so there's really nothing else for me to pull out unless I somehow found a statement from Toriyama on Goten's strength in comparison to Gohan. From that one panel, we can deduce that they're at least fighting with a lot of effort. That's a fact, evidenced by their facial expressions and the sweat. Coming up with things such as how long they'd been going at it is an inference, which is using a fact as a basis and going beyond that. To reiterate, it is a fact that they are both exerting effort in that sparring session. Whatever else you come up with is an inference, and should be supported by some kind of other basis. What I won't tolerate is "Gohan had to be suppressed because Goten's a kid and couldn't have been powerful because of that fact". If anybody comes in saying that there'll be some kind of consequence, because that's a baseless statement brought on by no fact whatsoever. If someone were to say "Gohan had to be suppressed because Goten was behind in their first sparring session and I wouldn't expect that to change", then that would be a statement formed on a somewhat solid basis, at least. I hope that doesn't come off as too harsh to some. And I'm not singling anybody out specifically, just speaking in general.
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~~Paikuan extreme~~	Aug 12 2011, 03:17 AM Post #43
Posts: 5,568 Group: Suspended Member #5,921 Joined: March 29, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? ie9 Favourite Manga akira	yeah i never bought into the whole as a kid thing either, it just doesnt stand to reason that goten would become as strong as an unsupressed gohan from playing with trunks. Thats it. Otherwise goten is strong as hell, his savage ssj is stronger than namek saga goku at full power, and he cant even fly. Stronger than kid gohan before the mssj training. We already know the rosat training put his mssj at a low tier ssj2 level for their ssj3 fusion. The boy is strong, but at this time before the budokai he's not that strong, after training for the budokai he was able to kill 18, thats some dang good training you ask me. he went from stronger than goku to being able to kill 18. NO, gotens no slouch by any means.



+ Pyrus	Aug 12 2011, 03:34 AM Post #44
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Ninjajp247 Aug 12 2011, 03:17 AM yeah i never bought into the whole as a kid thing either, it just doesnt stand to reason that goten would become as strong as an unsupressed gohan from playing with trunks. Thats it. Otherwise goten is strong as hell, his savage ssj is stronger than namek saga goku at full power, and he cant even fly. Stronger than kid gohan before the mssj training. We already know the rosat training put his mssj at a low tier ssj2 level for their ssj3 fusion. The boy is strong, but at this time before the budokai he's not that strong, after training for the budokai he was able to kill 18, thats some dang good training you ask me. he went from stronger than goku to being able to kill 18. NO, gotens no slouch by any means. He could have killed #18 before the tournament training or the RoSaT. He was born naturally powerful, much more powerful than even Freeza at birth, otherwise training with Chi-Chi is the most amazing strength boost ever seen from training with someone in the series.
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~~Destiny~~	Aug 12 2011, 07:41 AM Post #45
Posts: 7,206 Group: GTFO Member #5,331 Joined: October 16, 2010	Base Goku ~ SSJ Gohan Z Sword Bio Broly > Kid Trunks/Goten> Android 18 Base Gohan Z Sword >Buu Saga Gohan >= Kid Trunks/Goten Depends really. It's a fickle one. I'd have Goku win though.



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