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Goku in the Buu saga...
Topic Started: Aug 5 2011, 03:47 PM (3,512 Views)
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Second topic today, but this one is something I've been thinking about for a while.

Goku didn't turn SSj3 against Majin Vegeta, maybe due to Vegeta's pride, maybe due to the fact he still had SSj3 so he wasn't scared of Buu.
But then Buu is released and Goku acts like all hell has broke loose, despite the fact he can easily go kill him now, he worries everyone by saying he can't beat Buu.
Then he says he would be able to beat Buu if he fused with Vegeta, the 2 things wrong with this are:
1) Goku said himself he didn't want to beat Buu because he didn't feel it was his responsibility to save the Earth as he's no longer a part of it
2) As far as he knew Fat Buu hadn't absorbed anyone so his reasoning for not fusing against Kid Buu (He's not a fused being himself) should come into effect here - not to mention the fact he gets the kids to fuse anyway further contradicting what he said before fighting Kid Buu.

It wasn't until Popo reminded him about Trunks and Goten did he get the plan for them to beat Buu, so basically the whole time between him waking up after being knocked out from Vegeta, and until remembering Goten and Trunks can fuse, does he ever have a plan. He acts like there's no way to win, he doesn't know about Trunks and Goten fusing yet so he can't have had the plan for them to do it now, so as far as he knew he was the only way to stop Buu, yet he doesn't do it, and his only "plan" to fuse with Vegeta contradicts 2 things he says later.

In short: I really don't get Goku in the Buu saga...
Edited by Clearin, Aug 5 2011, 03:49 PM.
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Explanation:
AT was using plot holes to build suspense.
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Yeah, that doesn't really make sense to me. He wanted to fuse to beat Fat Boo, but not Kid Boo. I suppose he dug himself into a corner. If he'd have fused Goku and Vegeta, he'd have to explain why Boo got one-shotted, or he'd have to make Boo monstrously strong somehow.
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he didn't want to use ssj3, because he knew it would affect his time limit. he said himself he was saving it for when he needed it. he wanted to fuse to beat buu as a loophole. the dead aren't normally supposed to interfere in the world of the living. goku was dead, but gokan or gogeta would have been alive (vegeta was dead, but vegito was alive) so goku wouldn't be directly interfering. against kid buu, they underestimated him, and goku was just making stuff up so he wouldn't have to fuse to beat an opponent he thought he could slaughter on his own.
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But one of Goku's other reasons for not doing it himself was because he wanted to make sure there was someone there to protect Earth after he had gone. If Gogeta had beaten Buu then it's kinda the same thing as him because Gogeta couldn't do it again next time.
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Or maybe Goku could have taught fusion to Gohan and Vegeta; Vegeta wouldn't have been as dead-set against it since Gohan = derp...
Edited by Kruegs Outlandish, Aug 5 2011, 08:23 PM.
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Vegeta was dead... And they all thought Gohan was, so he couldn't teach it to either of them.
Anyway what does you mean Vegeta wouldn't have been as dead-set against it because Gohan = Derp?
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Well, I don't know about the derp thing, but I'm pretty sure he meant that Vegeta would not want to fuse with his rival who happens to be lower-classed, yet surpass him at every turn. Although, I'm not sure that the son of his rival would be that much better...
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has anyone ever stopped to think that maybe Trunks just bought his sword somewhere or something? There's nothing really special about it.

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Well it did manage to slice Frieza into a shishkebab so it must've been packing more power than your average blade. Hell even Zelda's sword couldn't pull off that ****.



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I don't believe in power levels after the Frieza Saga. :D
Now, there's an idea.
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Aug 5 2011, 08:27 PM
Vegeta was dead... And they all thought Gohan was, so he couldn't teach it to either of them.
Anyway what does you mean Vegeta wouldn't have been as dead-set against it because Gohan = Derp?
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Vegeta was dead...
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I don't think Goku counted on them being dead when they were all on Babidi's ship. He didn't consider them dead until after he woke up from being KO'd. If Vegeta had not been knocked Goku out, then Goku could have taught them Fusion.

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Anyway what does you mean Vegeta wouldn't have been as dead-set against it because Gohan = Derp?

Vegeta wouldn't be as proud, because Vegeta wasn't fixated with Gohan like he was with Goku. And that Gohan is derpy; Vegeta's pride should be hurt in the least by fusing with a derp like Gohan. He would have been doing Gohan a favor...

but yeah, goku should have beat him
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Aug 5 2011, 07:41 PM
But one of Goku's other reasons for not doing it himself was because he wanted to make sure there was someone there to protect Earth after he had gone. If Gogeta had beaten Buu then it's kinda the same thing as him because Gogeta couldn't do it again next time.
But Vegeta would still know the fusion, and he would teach it to others

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despite the fact he can easily go kill him now

It wouldn't have been easy. He was stronger than Fat Buu but not by much. And Goku might not have been able to finish the job before he ran out of energy.
Edited by POOHEAD189, Aug 6 2011, 05:55 AM.
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But Vegeta would still know the fusion, and he would teach it to others

Vegeta wouldn't even use the fusion dance, let alone teach it.

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It wouldn't have been easy. He was stronger than Fat Buu but not by much. And Goku might not have been able to finish the job before he ran out of energy.

So when he said he could have finished Buu off "At any time" that doesn't mean he could easily win to you?
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goku is stupid , vegeta's pride sometimes is over 9000 thats also stupid and gohan is derp and there you have it.

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goku would have slaughtered fat buu at any time, had he chose to do so. he didn't want to kill fat buu himself, because he was dead, and dead people aren't supposed to interfere.
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

for those that blindly follow word of god
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After the saga Goku leaves but before he leaves, he throws a celebration.

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You musta missed that part, friend.
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