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Yamcha (Saiyan Saga) vs Raditz
Topic Started: Aug 5 2011, 12:14 AM (4,337 Views)
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Teen GohanZ
Aug 6 2011, 12:54 PM
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Aug 6 2011, 07:45 AM
The Saibaman wasn't beaten. It had enough strength to get back up and latch onto Yamcha so hard he couldn't get out, which counts for something. In their hand-to-hand, like I said, Yamcha was getting nowhere with it.
Goku managed to grab hold of Raditz so hard that Raditz couldn't shake him off, and Goku had broken ribs. Would you say Goku wasn't beat?
That's a bit different. Raditz was damaged and surprised, and Goku grabbed him from behind. The Saibaman grabbed Yamcha from the front, meaning Yamcha knew darn well what was going on, and still couldn't get out of its hold. That thing popped up just fine, though, and I'm pretty convinced it was merely playing possum to lure Yamcha in.
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I'd also like to point out that even Tien who is much stronger, couldn't outright kill a Saibaman with a power level of 1200. So how do you expect Yamcha to take Radditz?


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Raditz will win if he detonates.
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In defense of Tenshinhan, I'd have to say he was holding back somewhat. I mean, using his official level of 1,830, he was about 53% stronger than the Saibaman, so he should have logically one-shotted it. But maybe Toriyama hadn't figured in power percentages like that yet? I don't know, but from what we see later in the series, that's what should have happened, so either he was holding back, or Toriyama hadn't quite figured that stuff out yet.
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That's a bit different. Raditz was damaged and surprised, and Goku grabbed him from behind.

Still, I think we can agree that Goku was way weaker than Raditz yet he could hold on.
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The Saibaman grabbed Yamcha from the front, meaning Yamcha knew darn well what was going on, and still couldn't get out of its hold. That thing popped up just fine, though, and I'm pretty convinced it was merely playing possum to lure Yamcha in.

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And I still don't know why you think Yamcha didn't beat it. He had the upper hand the entire time.
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I personally would think Raditz would win in Saiyin Saga pretty decisively. Though I suppose stats wise it is a toss up.
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That's a bit different. Raditz was damaged and surprised, and Goku grabbed him from behind.

Still, I think we can agree that Goku was way weaker than Raditz yet he could hold on.
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The Saibaman grabbed Yamcha from the front, meaning Yamcha knew darn well what was going on, and still couldn't get out of its hold. That thing popped up just fine, though, and I'm pretty convinced it was merely playing possum to lure Yamcha in.

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And I still don't know why you think Yamcha didn't beat it. He had the upper hand the entire time.
The entire time? I don't think so. His pseudo-Kamehameha was the only thing that hurt the Saibaman. Their melee was even.
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Aug 6 2011, 11:04 PM
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That's a bit different. Raditz was damaged and surprised, and Goku grabbed him from behind.

Still, I think we can agree that Goku was way weaker than Raditz yet he could hold on.
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The Saibaman grabbed Yamcha from the front, meaning Yamcha knew darn well what was going on, and still couldn't get out of its hold. That thing popped up just fine, though, and I'm pretty convinced it was merely playing possum to lure Yamcha in.

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And I still don't know why you think Yamcha didn't beat it. He had the upper hand the entire time.
The entire time? I don't think so. His pseudo-Kamehameha was the only thing that hurt the Saibaman. Their melee was even.

If Yamcha was so winded over fighting one saiberman he wouldn't of acted like he could fight the other four. He even calls his little sparring match with the saiberman easy.

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He didn't want to look weak to his fellow fighters, especially after Tenshinha's awesome display of strength. I'm going to use the manga's version of the fight here, though.
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He looks like he's struggling to me, and only gets confident when the Saibaman leaves himself open.

I'm going to do what some do and twist his statement. He struggled with the Saibaman in the beginning and landed a lucky shot when the Saibaman left itself open. Since he didn't want to look like a wuss, he boasted and said he could take the other ones on by himself (serious note: which is utter bull*****, as evidenced by his fight).
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I honestly think you're trolling now. He does look serious in this fight, but the saibaman kept retreating, and then yamcha dodged it and beam blasted it for a win.
I think he would have been able to take 2 of them without the kamikazie attack.
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Aug 7 2011, 06:33 PM
I honestly think you're trolling now. He does look serious in this fight, but the saibaman kept retreating, and then yamcha dodged it and beam blasted it for a win.
I think he would have been able to take 2 of them without the kamikazie attack.
"Kept retreating"
It retreated once, presumably because they were evenly matched and tried to try a different strategy. Yamcha clearly had no hand to hand advantage.
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Aug 7 2011, 06:35 PM
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I honestly think you're trolling now. He does look serious in this fight, but the saibaman kept retreating, and then yamcha dodged it and beam blasted it for a win.
I think he would have been able to take 2 of them without the kamikazie attack.
"Kept retreating"
It retreated once, presumably because they were evenly matched and tried to try a different strategy. Yamcha clearly had no hand to hand advantage.
You're right. Kept retreating would be a bit much, but it did do it, and it did attack yamcha afterward, only for him to dodge it. And he did hit it with a beam. All of this points to
Yamcha>Saibamen.
Then the saibamen jumped on him and grabbed him, which doesn't change...
Yamcha>Saibaman, unless you want to argue that
Goku=Raditz.
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I honestly think you're trolling now.

I'm not even going to get into an argument over that with you, because I could honestly say the same for you.
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He does look serious in this fight, but the saibaman kept retreating, and then yamcha dodged it and beam blasted it for a win.
I think he would have been able to take 2 of them without the kamikazie attack.

He could barely handle one. Unless he blasted them both from the start, he'd be overwhelmed.
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Aug 7 2011, 06:33 PM
I honestly think you're trolling now. He does look serious in this fight, but the saibaman kept retreating, and then yamcha dodged it and beam blasted it for a win.
I think he would have been able to take 2 of them without the kamikazie attack.
"Kept retreating"
It retreated once, presumably because they were evenly matched and tried to try a different strategy. Yamcha clearly had no hand to hand advantage.
You're right. Kept retreating would be a bit much, but it did do it, and it did attack yamcha afterward, only for him to dodge it. And he did hit it with a beam. All of this points to
Yamcha>Saibamen.
Then the saibamen jumped on him and grabbed him, which doesn't change...
Yamcha>Saibaman, unless you want to argue that
Goku=Raditz.

I never said Yamcha wasn't stronger than the Saibaman. I just said he wasn't at a comfortable advantage.
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Raditz wins, Yamcha is a weakling
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Aug 8 2011, 10:43 PM
Raditz wins, Yamcha is a weakling
That's where you're wrong my friend.
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