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Yamcha (Saiyan Saga) vs Raditz
Topic Started: Aug 5 2011, 12:14 AM (4,338 Views)
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Aug 6 2011, 02:58 AM
There's a reason he doesn't get past the first round of tournaments.
Because his opponents were:
Roshi: Strongest person in the series at that point
Tien: Tied with Goku for strongest person in the series at that point
Kami: 3rd/4th strongest person in the series at that point, beaten only by Goku, Piccolo and maybe Tien.

He just had horrible luck in tournaments, it had nothing to do with his skill.

He had enough skill to stop Oozaru Goku, beat Invisible man with NO effort (once he could see him) and get to the top 8 finalists of every tournament.

He was trained by Roshi, Korin and Kami by the time he fought the Saibamen, so I doubt he'd be a bad fighter after all that.
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If he was such a great fighter he would have killed the Saibaman outright instead of just stunning it for a bit. I'd also like to add that until he used one of Goku's techniques, he wasn't getting anywhere with it. So I'm guessing his power level is around the same as the Saibamans. And most people would agree that radditz is much stronger than this.


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Aug 6 2011, 03:16 AM
If he was such a great fighter he would have killed the Saibaman outright instead of just stunning it for a bit.
Tien didn't outright kill it but we know he could probably kill 2 of them if he wanted to. I have no idea why people say he did nothing to the saibamen. It was BEATEN. That is why it self destrcuted, because it couldn't beat him otherwise.

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I have Radditz at 1400 and Yamcha at 1250. So Yamchs has little chance of winning. Now everyone keeps saying that Yamcha has more technique and better skills but this is an unfair statement. Radditz never needed to show off what he was capable of. So we shouldn't just assume that Yamcha is the better fighter. On the contrary, Saiyans are renowned for their fighting prowess and combat abilities among other things. The fact that he's a Saiyan alone puts him at an advantage, then you add on top of that his higher power level.

Another thing I'd like to add is that Yamcha has rarely shown superior fighting skills to anyone. He always loses. So I'd say this would be a similar battle to Yamcha vs Tien at the 22nd Budokai. Only Radditz is Tien.


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Kami was more powerful than Yamcha, but he praised his technique and skill.

And if a human and a saiyan have similar powerlevels (bar Goku and eventually Vegeta), the human has the advantage because they have more skill and were trained to raise their powerlevel.

The powerlevels I have are
Raditz: 1350
Yamcha: 1300

Believe it or not, Yamcha has the advantage. I agree with teen on the fact that, if Yamcha has a powerlevel of 1200, then a Spirit Ball would be too much for raditz. Maybe it wouldn't kill him outright, but it would hurt him alot. And a wolf fang fist would probably overwhelm raditz in hand to hand anyway without a spiritball.
Edited by POOHEAD189, Aug 6 2011, 03:27 AM.
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The Saibaman wasn't beaten. It had enough strength to get back up and latch onto Yamcha so hard he couldn't get out, which counts for something. In their hand-to-hand, like I said, Yamcha was getting nowhere with it.
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Lotta Yamcha hate evidently...

Raditz - 1500
Yamcha - 1480

If both of these are max-attack powers, then I'd see this an even match. I like Yamcha's Spirit Ball; he's able to control the attack and use it to attack multiple times. We've only seen Raditz using simple blasts. Yamcha has the advantage in ki control and suppression; I'd say that gives him an advantage over an enemy who's just as strong as he is.

And yes, Yamcha beat the Saibaman, just like Tien did. The guy that Tien beat got back up, and probably could have jumped at and latched on to one of the fighters and kamikazed. The one that Yamcha beat just knew the deal.

Verdict: Yamcha had better not slip up in this battle, or Raditz will easily take the battle from him.
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Aug 6 2011, 09:42 AM
Lotta Yamcha hate evidently...

Raditz - 1500
Yamcha - 1480

If both of these are max-attack powers, then I'd see this an even match. I like Yamcha's Spirit Ball; he's able to control the attack and use it to attack multiple times. We've only seen Raditz using simple blasts. Yamcha has the advantage in ki control and suppression; I'd say that gives him an advantage over an enemy who's just as strong as he is.

And yes, Yamcha beat the Saibaman, just like Tien did. The guy that Tien beat got back up, and probably could have jumped at and latched on to one of the fighters and kamikazed. The one that Yamcha beat just knew the deal.

Verdict: Yamcha had better not slip up in this battle, or Raditz will easily take the battle from him.
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No way in hell raditz is 1500. He got heavily damaged from a rush attack that was 1307, was scarred of SBC and stated himself he could not block it when it reached 1330, and was force to side step without even knowing about the attack for the first time, then theres that whole sentence of nappa calling him comparable to a saiberman. In other words raditz is between 1200-1300.
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Aug 6 2011, 07:45 AM
The Saibaman wasn't beaten. It had enough strength to get back up and latch onto Yamcha so hard he couldn't get out, which counts for something. In their hand-to-hand, like I said, Yamcha was getting nowhere with it.
Goku managed to grab hold of Raditz so hard that Raditz couldn't shake him off, and Goku had broken ribs. Would you say Goku wasn't beat?
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Aug 6 2011, 11:34 AM
No way in hell raditz is 1500. He got heavily damaged from a rush attack that was 1307, was scarred of SBC and stated himself he could not block it when it reached 1330, and was force to side step without even knowing about the attack for the first time, then theres that whole sentence of nappa calling him comparable to a saiberman. In other words raditz is between 1200-1300.

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And apparently, you didn't take the "If both of these are max-attack powers," as in like Goku's 910-924 Kamehameha vs Raditz, into account... so:


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Goku managed to grab hold of Raditz so hard that Raditz couldn't shake him off, and Goku had broken ribs. Would you say Goku wasn't beat?
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That list seems way to off.
For starters Goku was never 910 at any point in the series
Gohan was never 2,800
Piccolo (Young) is stronger than Start of Z Tien, yet Tien thought he could beat Goku at the 23rd Budokai, meaning he must have been stronger than Goku in the King Piccolo saga, who was equal to King Piccolo
Piccolo is far too close to Nappa considering how hard he got roflstomped
Piccolo is also too high because he said Gohan's power surpassed his own if Gohan had focused.
Nappa is far too low considering he made Goku say "This could take a while" and said he'd be in trouble if he took Nappa's blast.
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Aug 6 2011, 01:16 PM
That list seems way to off.
For starters Goku was never 910 at any point in the series
Gohan was never 2,800
Piccolo (Young) is stronger than Start of Z Tien, yet Tien thought he could beat Goku at the 23rd Budokai, meaning he must have been stronger than Goku in the King Piccolo saga, who was equal to King Piccolo
Piccolo is far too close to Nappa considering how hard he got roflstomped
Piccolo is also too high because he said Gohan's power surpassed his own if Gohan had focused.
Nappa is far too low considering he made Goku say "This could take a while" and said he'd be in trouble if he took Nappa's blast.
tell them (http://kanzentai.com/bp.php?id=guide#weekly-jump) and daizenshuu 7?
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I would if they ever came here and showed me that pic. But they don't so I'll just choose to tell the people who do show it :D
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I'll keep showing it...

For starters Goku was never 910 at any point in the seriesKamehameha (don't gimme that "NOPE :S 924 :P" bs)
Gohan was never 2,800... Gohan vs Nappa after Piccolo's save?
Piccolo (Young) is stronger than Start of Z Tien, yet Tien thought he could beat Goku at the 23rd Budokai, meaning he must have been stronger than Goku in the King Piccolo saga, who was equal to King PiccoloGoku and Piccolo weren't at theie strongest for the first scouter reading, why do Tien, Krillin, etc. have to be?
Piccolo is far too close to Nappa considering how hard he got roflstompediirc, the worst thing that happened to Pix aside from dying... was the elbow to the head, which he seemed to recover from well enough, while delivering a shot to Nappa's back that seemed to hurt like hell from someone that supposedly can't even touch Nappa.

Aside from this, most, if not all of Vegeta's Namek stomp and get-stomped fights were against enemies whose power were seemingly incredibly close to his... (Dodoria, Zarbon, Monster Zarbon)
Piccolo is also too high because he said Gohan's power surpassed his own if Gohan had focused.Gohan didn't get mad enough apparently... just because Gohan can doesn't neccessary means that he did... kinda like how Goku thought Gohan was gonna smash thru Cell until Piccolo, having the insight in how trusting Gohan's rage-fest, talked enough sense in him to want to help...
Nappa is far too low considering he made Goku say "This could take a while" and said he'd be in trouble if he took Nappa's blast.eh... can't argue to much, but if Nappa can be around 7000 to Goku's 8, then why can't Piccolo be 3500 to Nappa's 4? shrugs...
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How is it BS? It was 924... That's like me saying Goten is stronger than Trunks and following it up with "Don't give me that both Goten and Trunks stated that Trunks was stronger BS"

That was his Masenko if I remember correctly, not Gohan himself.

Because Goku and Piccolo were wearing weighted clothing, Krillin definitely wasn't since we saw him when he got scanned, and we have no idea about Tien and Yamcha.

Piccolo was knocked out for a while just from an elbow to the head, I'm not sure but I think that's the only time Nappa even hit him.
As for the Vegeta part, I guess that just proves Vegeta is a great fighter and Dodoria and Zarbon are terrible, since never again do powers so close together result in a stomp.

Gohan did get mad and his Masenko ended up at 2,800 which is far less than they've got Piccolo

Because Piccolo didn't make Nappa think "Wow this could take a while"
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Aug 6 2011, 01:55 PM
How is it BS? It was 924... That's like me saying Goten is stronger than Trunks and following it up with "Don't give me that both Goten and Trunks stated that Trunks was stronger BS"

That was his Masenko if I remember correctly, not Gohan himself.

Because Goku and Piccolo were wearing weighted clothing, Krillin definitely wasn't since we saw him when he got scanned, and we have no idea about Tien and Yamcha.

Piccolo was knocked out for a while just from an elbow to the head, I'm not sure but I think that's the only time Nappa even hit him.
As for the Vegeta part, I guess that just proves Vegeta is a great fighter and Dodoria and Zarbon are terrible, since never again do powers so close together result in a stomp.

Gohan did get mad and his Masenko ended up at 2,800 which is far less than they've got Piccolo

Because Piccolo didn't make Nappa think "Wow this could take a while"
The difference between 924 and 910 is what? 14! derp, really? @Trunks preRoSaT Trunks is considerably stronger than preRoSaT Goten, that's not even a comparison

The power comes from Gohan when he's using Masenko, like Goku when he uses Kamehameha/Kaioken etc. It's a reading from him.

Krillin was as about relaxed as anyone could get and wasn't powered up, and as you said we no little of Tien/Yamcha. Recall the readings that Vegeta and Nappa had gotten on Piccolo, Gohan, Krillin, at their arrival. Maybe if Krillin were in or mid-battle we'd have gotten a reliable reading.

Can't give you that. Vegeta can't be this great awesome fighter and stomp people with near-equal level and then Nappa can't do the same... and as I stated earlier, Piccolo seemed to have gotten up from the elbow well enough; it be a stretch to say that he was playing possum, but hell, everyone else makes stretches all the time when they want the argument to go their way. And Nappa was visibly hurt from Piccolo's blast to the back.

but you just said earlier that Gohan was never at 2800... ne way, that reading was the one of the first readings on Gohan since the battle had started. Vegeta had the scouter off for the entire battle, save for instances where everyone waited for Goku.

he didn't have to... Nappa didn't think often enough anyways...

Welp, it's clear that he disagree. Do we leave it at they, or do we keep going in?
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Leave it at that I suppose, if you want to follow that list then I really don't mind :p
Who am I to tell you what you should and shouldn't believe?
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