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Were Goku and Vegeta SSJ2 in this clip?
Topic Started: Aug 3 2011, 06:36 AM (10,303 Views)
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A reason Goku didn't go SSJ2 could be because he knew he would lose no matter what, so why waste energy. That's just a guess though.
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Yeah, but then why even turn Super Saiyan if he knew he was going to lose? It wouldn't take Boo any longer to kill them.
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Well he was a MSSJ so it wasn't draining any energy...yeah it doesn't make sense, I guess that's filler for you..
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DbzHybrid
Aug 3 2011, 02:10 PM
But Goku's SSJ hair looks nothing like his SSJ2 hair. He only has one bang out the front like Gohan.

His little side bangs never move from those places, not even when he's outputting energy i.e. Kamehameha


Yes, in the manga there's a clear difference. However, some animators weren't able to depict that accurately, generally for filler scenes that did not have the manga reference material such as the scene of this thread. You'll notice the inaccurate hair drawn a lot when he fights Majin Vegeta, which we know for a fact Goku's fighting as a SSj2 in that battle:

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in the vidoe i could explain goku simply he was rushing convincing vegeta to fuse. i hate how they made the story freakish veggito being base ...now all v games make gogta only ssj and vegeto base and ssj while thre should be ssj and ssj2 for vegitto and gogeta i think is ssj2 tooooooo........ but course thats a movie anyways anime mess things up (wanted to say ***** things up :( )

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dude, seriously, grammar and punctuation helps you get your point across alot better. Goku didnt even want to transform, i think he had it in his head that they INDEED needed to save energy. But even though vegeta was getting whooped, goku was keeping up. Yeah, its filler. The elder kai didnt know they were rivals until afterwards.
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Aug 3 2011, 05:44 PM
Anybody arguing Vegeta couldn't go Super Saiyan 2 at all after the Majin seal must not have read the final fight. Lol. He's clearly a Super Saiyan 2 there, hair, aura, lightning and all. Jeez.

But no, they're not Super Saiyan 2s here. The lightning Vegeta displays isn't the same lightning that appears on Super Saiyan 2s. They're both just regular Super Saiyans here for some stupid reason, just like they were inside Boo's head.
I'll read that once I get home, then...it better be there...or else.
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has anyone ever stopped to think that maybe Trunks just bought his sword somewhere or something? There's nothing really special about it.

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Well it did manage to slice Frieza into a shishkebab so it must've been packing more power than your average blade. Hell even Zelda's sword couldn't pull off that ****.



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I don't believe in power levels after the Frieza Saga. :D
Now, there's an idea.
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I've made my opinion
Goku was mssj so he can save energy but be more powerful at the same time
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vegeta was like "the saiyan prince will not fall again" and got angry and went ssj2 without thinking

this is filler so..
no big deal
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Aug 3 2011, 09:40 PM
DbzHybrid
Aug 3 2011, 02:10 PM
But Goku's SSJ hair looks nothing like his SSJ2 hair. He only has one bang out the front like Gohan.

His little side bangs never move from those places, not even when he's outputting energy i.e. Kamehameha


Yes, in the manga there's a clear difference. However, some animators weren't able to depict that accurately, generally for filler scenes that did not have the manga reference material such as the scene of this thread. You'll notice the inaccurate hair drawn a lot when he fights Majin Vegeta, which we know for a fact Goku's fighting as a SSj2 in that battle:

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Yes, but also remember that 3/4 of that fight is filler, and for a good part of it they were drawn as just regular SSJ's even in your pictures.
Magically they are drawn properly as SSJ2's in the next episode.

My question is why would they draw them as SSJ's then draw them properly as SSJ2's? It's easy to say that they changed artists or that they were lazy but honestly if they don't know what SSJ2 Goku looks like what in the heck are they doing drawing the show in the first place?

It's just really weird what they've done with Goku's hair lol
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Aug 4 2011, 11:43 AM
Yes, but also remember that 3/4 of that fight is filler, and for a good part of it they were drawn as just regular SSJ's even in your pictures.
Magically they are drawn properly as SSJ2's in the next episode.

My question is why would they draw them as SSJ's then draw them properly as SSJ2's? It's easy to say that they changed artists or that they were lazy but honestly if they don't know what SSJ2 Goku looks like what in the heck are they doing drawing the show in the first place?

It's just really weird what they've done with Goku's hair lol


What are you basing that on? When they power-up to SSj2, even the scene right afterwards where they begin fighting his hair is still drawn incorrectly.

There are different animation teams responsible for drawing frames of each episode, and is why the art of one episode is never consistent throughout. Animators are hired by a company to do a job and don't necessarily have to be fans of a series that they work on. They are provided reference materials they could use, derived from the manga and works by the Character Designer. It should be noted that the Character Designer I don't believe ever did create any model sheets for Goku and Vegeta's SSj2. I collect production materials myself and have never seen them, they weren't printed in the Daizenshuus or any guidebook, and I've even inquired to other collectors who I knew for fact should've had them, but confirmed there being none.

Toei did hire a lot of low quality animators because they needed to save money; and even in scenes that weren't filler, where they could use the manga version as an identical reference, they still could be drawn terribly. It's not something that should come as a shock that they could neglect to capture Goku's SSj2 hair accurately. Mistakes and missing details happen all the time in anime, especially with long-running serializations like DBZ.
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right, where keeping up with the paycheck is the bottom line.
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Yeah, it's a sad fact that some animation teams Toei hired either only cared about the money, or just weren't very good at what they did.
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Aug 3 2011, 12:53 PM
It's really hard to tell when anyone is SSj or SSj2 lol
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Aug 4 2011, 01:32 PM
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Aug 4 2011, 11:43 AM
Yes, but also remember that 3/4 of that fight is filler, and for a good part of it they were drawn as just regular SSJ's even in your pictures.
Magically they are drawn properly as SSJ2's in the next episode.

My question is why would they draw them as SSJ's then draw them properly as SSJ2's? It's easy to say that they changed artists or that they were lazy but honestly if they don't know what SSJ2 Goku looks like what in the heck are they doing drawing the show in the first place?

It's just really weird what they've done with Goku's hair lol


What are you basing that on? When they power-up to SSj2, even the scene right afterwards where they begin fighting his hair is still drawn incorrectly.

There are different animation teams responsible for drawing frames of each episode, and is why the art of one episode is never consistent throughout. Animators are hired by a company to do a job and don't necessarily have to be fans of a series that they work on. They are provided reference materials they could use, derived from the manga and works by the Character Designer. It should be noted that the Character Designer I don't believe ever did create any model sheets for Goku and Vegeta's SSj2. I collect production materials myself and have never seen them, they weren't printed in the Daizenshuus or any guidebook, and I've even inquired to other collectors who I knew for fact should've had them, but confirmed there being none.

Toei did hire a lot of low quality animators because they needed to save money; and even in scenes that weren't filler, where they could use the manga version as an identical reference, they still could be drawn terribly. It's not something that should come as a shock that they could neglect to capture Goku's SSj2 hair accurately. Mistakes and missing details happen all the time in anime, especially with long-running serializations like DBZ.
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and is why the art of one episode is never consistent throughout.

Yeah the inconsistently is obvious and sometimes funny haha.

My question is if they have reference material how can they get it wrong? They just dont hire them and go 'Draw SSJ2 Goku in this fight, but we're not going to show you what he looks like, HA HA!".
I mean come on, they transformed into SSJ2's right before the fight and we're drawn correctly but immediately after in the next episode their just regular SSJ's?
They should very well know what he looks like, heck they could of even done a quick sketch from a scan or drawing to reference to, it would only take a couple of minutes to get the hair/ head design, not even that.

I think it's possible they just didn't realise or didn't know, whatever crew drew the episode of them fighting, that they were meant to be SSJ2 and not SSJ.
I dunno haha, but all the point being that they are both just SSJ in this scene.


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They were most likely SSJ 1. One reason I feel they decided just to go to SSj 1 is because they knew they were no match, so they were really just trying to fend him off while not using as much energy.
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