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SSJ2 Gohan (Cell Saga) Vs. FDabura (Buu Saga)
Topic Started: Aug 3 2011, 12:32 AM (4,283 Views)
+ Pyrus Aug 8 2011, 06:00 AM Post #76
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 By powered down, I think Pelador meant he had no aura. Without an aura, there can't be sparks at all. Also, the only time I remember a close-up having sparks is maybe one panel with SSj2 Goku, although I can't remember for sure if it even had sparks.
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Kruegs Outlandish Aug 8 2011, 06:34 AM Post #77
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The only ones that don't are ones where it's close up and where he's powered down after Cell's been teleported

Pyro
 
Also, the only time I remember a close-up having sparks is maybe one panel with SSj2 Goku, although I can't remember for sure if it even had sparks.


several close up pictures, at least as close if not closer than many of the previous pictures

Also, many of those previous pics are full body and far out (Kamehameha, Kicks Cell, Punches Cell, etc...) with an aura and no electricity...
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+ Pyrus Aug 8 2011, 06:44 AM Post #78
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 Huh, there are a lot of close-ups with no sparks, but there are also a lot without, so I'm going to have to chalk that up to inconsistency on Toriyama's part, honestly. I can't find a reason why in one close-up he'd have sparks but in another he wouldn't.

The only full body shot I could find with an aura and no sparks was the one where Gohan was kicking Cell's face off.
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Kruegs Outlandish Aug 8 2011, 06:57 AM Post #79
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Aug 8 2011, 06:44 AM
Huh, there are a lot of close-ups with no sparks, but there are also a lot without, so I'm going to have to chalk that up to inconsistency on Toriyama's part, honestly. I can't find a reason why in one close-up he'd have sparks but in another he wouldn't.

The only full body shot I could find with an aura and no sparks was the one where Gohan was kicking Cell's face off.
wait... I'm pretty sure I posted the punch (just looked, I didn't post the punch), as well as the Kamehameha in the previous post, both of them were full body, and both were void of electricity. I kid you not. Like I said in the previous post, it surprised me. I can post those again...

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+ Pyrus Aug 8 2011, 07:03 AM Post #80
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 I can explain the Kamehameha as the sparks being taken by the Kamehameha, similar to how Goku's Kaio-ken aura disappeared when he fired his Kamehameha at Freeza. We also really can't see an aura around him in those shots, so we can't say for sure that he's missing the lightning.

His punch and kick to Cell, I'm not really sure why he'd be missing the lightning. Maybe he was moving too quickly, as even his aura shows extreme movement, or maybe it's just inconsistent at this point and Toriyama hadn't fully decided what to do? I dunno.
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Wintergreen5000 Aug 8 2011, 07:06 AM Post #81
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 Yes, those lack the sparks they are due, but it was obviously for artistic purposes, seeing how detailed the drawings are. In Teen Gohan's case, in his fight with Dabra, there are NONE whatsoever. That is the difference.
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Kruegs Outlandish Aug 8 2011, 07:06 AM Post #82
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@Pyro
That's fair... I just found it interesting that so many pics were void of sparks and then almost seemingly an equal amount did have them... when I went back to look, I wasn't expecting as many as I found, and even before SPC... maybe I'll scour through the rest and then to Buu Saga SSJ2 fights...

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Yes, those lack the sparks they are due, but it was obviously for artistic purposes, seeing how detailed the drawings are. In Teen Gohan's case, in his fight with Dabra, there are NONE whatsoever. That is the difference.
Yep :) ... I can only hope that one day Akira Toriyama answers this question and others per interview...
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Kruegs Outlandish Aug 8 2011, 07:36 AM Post #83
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Not gonna put up pics for these:
SPC returns with sparks. SPC and Gohan show sparks until Gohan is hit. Gohan no longer shows the sparks. SPC charges the Kamehameha and shows no sparks for the entire period of charging and boasting that his Kamehameha could wipe out the entire Solar System. Gohan charges to retaliate and sparks return until half way through the chant (Kame-ha-me-ha)... neither have sparks while releasing and locking beams, and neither will regain sparks throughout the remainder of the battle.

If anyone doesn't trust that then I'd implore that you go through a manga source; you may actually catch something that I missed, but I'm pretty confident about what's aforementioned.

So Pyro's thing could work (@Kamehameha), but even then Gohan showed sparked during the beginning of his first Kamehameha. And also, I'd suppose that either enough damage, or not being near full power could also cause absence of sparks since Gohan was both damaged and not producing max power at a point were he was not sparking. I'll go through Buu Saga and post here again unless there's another thread on SSJ2 sparks by the time I finish...
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Balthazor Aug 8 2011, 01:00 PM Post #84
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I'm damn serious

 Sparks don't really matter,hair is more consistent,Gohan takes a brown marshmallow on daburas forehead where there's the M tattoo
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* Yu Narukami Aug 8 2011, 01:20 PM Post #85
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 SSJ2 Gohan (Cell Games) > Dabura. That's that.

Maybe the sparks dissapear due to lack of energy? SSJ2 Gohan showed sparks until he was hit by SPC's attack, he then showed none. When he was gathering a massive amount of energy for the Kamehameha, the sparks return. Maybe it's just the output of energy that causes the sparks.
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Nusu Aug 8 2011, 02:33 PM Post #86
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Yes, the aura seems to disappear when the Saiyajin is wounded or had a immense energy loss.

But that still doesn't explain why Son Gohan lacked sparks against Dabura. Son Gohan wasn't wounded nor did he lack energy.
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+ Clearin Aug 8 2011, 03:13 PM Post #87
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 We don't know what the start of the fight was like or how long it went on, just saiyan.
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* Yu Narukami Aug 8 2011, 03:40 PM Post #88
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Aug 8 2011, 02:33 PM
Yes, the aura seems to disappear when the Saiyajin is wounded or had a immense energy loss.

But that still doesn't explain why Son Gohan lacked sparks against Dabura. Son Gohan wasn't wounded nor did he lack energy.
Wasn't it stated that Kibito didn't heal him fully? Maybe he had enough energy to transform but not enough for the form to have sparks. Then again, there would be no reason for Kibito not to fully heal him. I don't know/
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+ Clearin Aug 14 2011, 12:07 AM Post #89
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 I have 2 more bits of evidence that Gohan was SSj2:
1) Kaioshin had seen Gohan's SSj2 power before, yet claims they'd need to gang up to beat Dabura.
2) Goku's SSj form was witnessed by Babidi and Dabura, yet Dabura was confident in beating them all at once (And if Gohan was MSSj then Goku must be stronger than him since Dabura is equal to Gohan - of course he implies he was holding back after the fight so this might not count)

I'm sorry to bump the thread but I suppose anyone still on the fence about this might be interested in these things...

Might have been the wrong thread for this...but there wasn't any other thread to put it in...
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lunar2 Aug 14 2011, 12:23 AM Post #90
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 goku's mssj form was witnessed across interplanetary (at least) distances through a crystal ball. they couldn't actually sense goku, and the kiri meter maxed out at 3,000. dabura is higher than 3,000 kiri, but that's all that scene actually tells us.
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