Necifix

Aug 6 2011, 07:37 PM

Majin Vegeta powered down, that's why. He had an aura the entire rest of the fight.

Vegetto had one because he was an uber-powerful fusion character. At least, that was the reason given for it.

You do have a point though.

However, that point fails and means absolutely NOTHING because Gohan had no lightning the ENTIRE fight. That's no art mistake. That's intentional.

We did not see the meter, true, but, Bobbidi was clearly frustrated at Dabra's lack-of-performance during the fight and was a bit panicked.

POOHEAD189

Aug 6 2011, 08:08 PM

Why would Gohan not go super saiyan 2 in a fight he was struggling with?
If a half saiyan is fighting a powerful enemy, he would go to his most powerful state and fight. There is no reason for him to have been MSSJ. Thats like him fighting cell, turning SSJ2, then powering down for teh lolz

Teen GohanZ

Aug 6 2011, 07:25 PM

ILLusioNaire

Aug 6 2011, 07:08 PM

No. Toriyama changed Gohan's SSjin 1 hairstyle from the shorter single hairbang, accompanied by the smaller and thinner hairbang, to the single, elongated, [don't make fun of that word there lol] SSjin 2-reminiscent style. I don't have pictures and crap and I don't intend on searching for them on the internet. However, I stand by my words and assert them to be true. Just look in the manga.

No. It was stated by Gohan that Goku and Vegeta were at a whole 'nother level altogether, "beyond the Super Saiyan limits" as it were. It wasn't that they were merely "stronger" than he was. This was the reason why the meter went up so quickly later on, when even Babidi expressed surprise at how quickly it had gone up, unlike with Dabra and Gohan. And as I said, Goku and Vegeta aren't THAT much stronger than Gohan anyway. So even if Gohan was SSjin 2 against Dabra, it still wouldn't explain why Dabra backed out of the fight to try for even greater results, when we see that with twoo SSjin 2s the results come rather quickly.

You made referance Gohanz to the anime when you spoke of Gohan and Dabra's fight earlier in the topic, I believe. So you aren't entirely using canon terms. But my point regarding the meter is that it doesn't contradict the manga, which is supported heavily by pro-MSSjin Gohan evidence, so it isn't exactly a farcry from the truth.

What's more is the FACT that because Gohan is drawn without sparks, it hints to us that Gohan is not SSjin 2 [obviously]. Toriyama didn't make a mistake with that. If he did, prove it. And the Daiz can't serve as any kind of proof since it contradicts itself on the matter. On this part of the argument, you are completely groundless to cast doubt on the validity of Toriyama's work concerning Gohan appearing to be MSSjin and not SSjin 2, especially since Gohan's Super Saiyan form was changed to look like SSjin 2 ever since the 25th World Tournament started. To say that Gohan's hairbang as a Super Saiyan is short and fat at this point would ignore later and earlier sequences during his training with the Zeta Sword and during the 25th World Tournament showing his bang to be similar to his SSjin 2 hairstyle. In terms of the hairbangs at this point the forms are quite comparable. The only noticable difference is the sparks, of which he has none in his fight with Dabra.

And no, Gohan didn't have sparks when he fought Fat Buu. But there is no proof that he was SSjin 2 there either, so why you would bring this up as possible evidence that he could've been SSjin 2 with Dabra, especially considering the comments Gohan made about Goku and Vegeta fighting past the Super Saiyan limits, and thus being the main reason why Buu hatched so quickly, is beyond me. If Toriyama made a mistake there, it was making Gohan SSjin 1 and not SSjin 2. But the idea he got across in both fights is that Gohan was not SSjin 2.

You can think what you want. But in my opinion it is very obvious that Gohan was not SSjin 2 against Dabra. The evidence is just too great to take the wrong way.

Yes. Toriyama changed Gohan's SSj hairstyle so it was 1 short fat bang, as seen when Videl was getting beaten up.
His SSj2 is 1 thin bang, as shown when he turns SSj2 for Kibito.
Now fast forward to the Dabura fight and it's 1 long, thin bang.

Well I guess that depends on how much you have Goku and Majin Vegeta above Gohan...since if you have them pretty far apart Gohan's comments about them being on another level, the meter not filling up as quickly (which wasn't shown in the manga anyway) and Dabura wanting to use Vegeta (Who was going on about how he was stronger than Gohan the whole fight, Dabura realizing this saw the opportunity) all these make sense if you have them far apart...

I brought up that scene because someone else mentioned it lol, I would never try to bring anime into a canon discussion, I was just helping someone.

I explained the bangs above, he made a mistake with either the bang or the sparks, you can't have both of them really. Not my own personal theory but I've heard explanations that the sparks are there to show great power, as I've seen many people say before (and kinda supported it by showing scans), so since we didn't know how weak Gohan was in the Kibito fight Akira added them in to not spoil anything. Or that he had them at the start of the Dabura fight but lost them due to losing power. I didn't make these theories up myself but since I was told them I found them quite good explanations.

I thought Gohan being SSj2 against Fat Buu was quite commonly accepted, sorry I guess I jumped to conclusions before knowing what you thought about that fight.

I will think what I want, I've seen a lot of evidence for both sides though so excuse me if I choose one that isn't the same as yours u.u

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The meter went up very little during Dabra and Gohan's fight, which makes it an argument for why Gohan was just MSSj.

We never saw the meter during that fight.

ILLusioNaire

Aug 7 2011, 10:19 PM

I really don't care if you ultimately don't listen. It's for others who will see it and form the same conclusionas myself: the right conclusion. It wasn't so much to try and change your mind. I know you're pretty much set in your thinking, and I was going to stop earlier on, but I felt compelled to post further.