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SSJ2 Vegito (GT) vs Omega Shenron
Topic Started: Jul 28 2011, 09:29 AM (5,286 Views)
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Who wins
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Omega Shenron. I don't see how Base Vegetto in GT could be in the same realm of power as SSj4 Gogeta. That is...unbelievable, in my opinion.
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The potara fusion is much stronger, not to mention they get the rival bonus. Who said SSJ4 was required to beat omega? I think he coulda done it with ssj2 or lower.

Take this into consideration.
SSJ3 Goku is absolutely no match for Super Buu w/ Gohan. Buu is over 200x stronger
SSJ4 Goku is not 200x weaker than omega, hes probably around 1/4th as strong at the most.
A base goku and vegeta manage to go on par with Buu.
Edited by oodle, Jul 28 2011, 10:32 AM.
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Jul 28 2011, 10:31 AM
The potara fusion is much stronger, not to mention they get the rival bonus. Who said SSJ4 was required to beat omega? I think he coulda done it with ssj2 or lower.

Take this into consideration.
SSJ3 Goku is absolutely no match for Super Buu w/ Gohan. Buu is over 200x stronger
SSJ4 Goku is not 200x weaker than omega, hes probably around 1/4th as strong at the most.
A base goku and vegeta manage to go on par with Buu.
SSj4 Gogeta couldn't finish Omega Shenron with his Big Bang Kamehameha, he had to blast him a second time (or was going, but de-fused). So yes, it required a Super Saiyan 4.
Edited by Pyrus, Jul 28 2011, 10:39 AM.
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Think about this then.

Do we even know if the fusion dance grants a rival bonus? We know it does for the potara. SSJ Gogeta in the movie's punches hurt Janemba but not too much, he recovered quite quickly. This is a weaker fusion, so the base form would be 5x weaker or more. I'm just really doubting base gogeta would be even around gohan level.
Base Vegito is stronger than super buu/gohan. Or on par with him.

It's a big gap.

I think SSJ vegito would be required for victory now.
Edited by oodle, Jul 28 2011, 02:30 PM.
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Base Gogeta is actually stronger than Super Buu/Gohan.
Right after Goku left the Real World, he fought Pikkon then He fought Janemba.
He said that is the strongest KI that he ever sensed.
Right after he fought Buu!
SSJ Goku and Vegeta could've at least fight with Super Buu/Gohan, while SSJ3 Goku with SSJ2 Vegeta couldn't kept up with Super Janemba!
Gogeta owned Janemba with relative ease!
Gogeta > Vegito.
Vegito LOSES very hard.
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Jul 28 2011, 01:49 PM
Base Gogeta is actually stronger than Super Buu/Gohan.
Right after Goku left the Real World, he fought Pikkon then He fought Janemba.
He said that is the strongest KI that he ever sensed.
Right after he fought Buu!
SSJ Goku and Vegeta could've at least fight with Super Buu/Gohan, while SSJ3 Goku with SSJ2 Vegeta couldn't kept up with Super Janemba!
Gogeta owned Janemba with relative ease!
Gogeta > Vegito.
Vegito LOSES very hard.
Buuhan >>>>> SSJ Goku and SSJ Vegeta

If Vegetto took the fight with Buuhan seriously, he could've decimated him.

On the topic, I'm not sure. He may not be as strong as SSJ4 Gogeta but if he took it seriously he could have a small chance of winning, seeing as he didn't have the downside of a time limit. But then, being base, he's kinda pathetic in comparison to SSJ4 Gogeta
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Jul 28 2011, 01:49 PM
Base Gogeta is actually stronger than Super Buu/Gohan.
Right after Goku left the Real World, he fought Pikkon then He fought Janemba.
He said that is the strongest KI that he ever sensed.
Right after he fought Buu!
SSJ Goku and Vegeta could've at least fight with Super Buu/Gohan, while SSJ3 Goku with SSJ2 Vegeta couldn't kept up with Super Janemba!
Gogeta owned Janemba with relative ease!
Gogeta > Vegito.
Vegito LOSES very hard.
So many things wrong with this.

1. That's a movie and not canon, the strength of fighters in movies are random (movie 13 goku is ridiculously strong and thus makes no sense)
2. We know for a fact that the potara fusion is stronger
3. SSJ3 fought FAT BUU, he is talking about him, not super buu
4. SSJ Goku & Vegeta are unbelievably weaker than super buu, let alone super buu w/gohan
5. Super Janemba is around Super Buu level, perhaps a bit stronger.
6. Base Vegito is arguably a tiny bit weaker than Super Buu w/ Gohan (why else did he jump straight to SSJ?) Base Gogeta is significantly lower.

Yes I'm comparing to GT gogeta which isn't canon, but this fight is involving omega shenron so i have to. The movies involve their own little universes, it's not the main storyline.

Edited by oodle, Jul 28 2011, 02:39 PM.
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Been thinking a bit and now I'm gonna go with SSJ2 Vegito
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Well Potara can basically make you go from:
Buuhan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ssj3 Goku
To SSj Vegeto >>>>>> Super Buu

I guess it depends on the SSj4 multiplier but I don't think Omega Shenron would be THAT much stronger than a SSj3 (Adult) Goku (Going by adult since Gogeta/Vegeto would also be adults) so I'd say Vegeto wins this in SSj.
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I always thought that perhaps the SSJ4 multiplier was x10 of SSJ3

Like Oozaru is x10
SSJ = x50
SSJ (golden) Oozaru = x500 of base

SSJ4 is basically the power of golden oozaru contained in the human form (imo)
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Jul 28 2011, 02:59 PM
I always thought that perhaps the SSJ4 multiplier was x10 of SSJ3

Like Oozaru is x10
SSJ = x50
SSJ (golden) Oozaru = x500 of base

SSJ4 is basically the power of golden oozaru contained in the human form (imo)
Well going by SEG multipliers that'd make SSj4 x4,000 of base :p (SSj3 is x400 so x10 of that...)

If that's the case then SSj4 is less than half an increase from SSj3 for me... Although I always considered SSj4 to be connected more to Oozaru than Super Saiyan so I guess it fits.

x500 is logical in which case SSj3 Goku would be far less weak to Omega as he was too Buuhan so I'd say MAYBE base Vegetto could do this.

I also don't think Gogeta needed SSj4 to beat Omega, SSj3 probably would have done it
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Vegito loses. I'd say he wins in SSJ3 though. Gogeta and Vegito's powers are too closely contested really.
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I always thought that perhaps the SSJ4 multiplier was x10 of SSJ3

Like Oozaru is x10
SSJ = x50
SSJ (golden) Oozaru = x500 of base

SSJ4 is basically the power of golden oozaru contained in the human form (imo)

10x is too small of a gap. Goku went from LOLowned in Super Saiyan 3 to on par with Golden Oozaru Bebi, after being able to wreck normal Super Bebi (the one that didn't look like Vegeta), so that's automatically more than a 10x boost.
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Well Potara can basically make you go from:
Buuhan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ssj3 Goku
To SSj Vegeto >>>>>> Super Buu

I guess it depends on the SSj4 multiplier but I don't think Omega Shenron would be THAT much stronger than a SSj3 (Adult) Goku (Going by adult since Gogeta/Vegeto would also be adults) so I'd say Vegeto wins this in SSj.

Being an adult or kid would have no affect on anything but stamina. The power would be the same. But yeah, Omega Shenron would be horribly more powerful than SSj3 Goku, adult or kid, unless you think Goku lost more than 10x his power turning into a kid. :p And yes, that is stated in the show and in the GT Perfect Files that Goku only lost stamina.
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Base Gogeta is actually stronger than Super Buu/Gohan.
Right after Goku left the Real World, he fought Pikkon then He fought Janemba.
He said that is the strongest KI that he ever sensed.
Right after he fought Buu!
SSJ Goku and Vegeta could've at least fight with Super Buu/Gohan, while SSJ3 Goku with SSJ2 Vegeta couldn't kept up with Super Janemba!
Gogeta owned Janemba with relative ease!
Gogeta > Vegito.
Vegito LOSES very hard.

Goku was referring to Fat Boo.
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Think about this then.

Do we even know if the fusion dance grants a rival bonus? We know it does for the potara.

It's implied, and pretty clear to me. Elder Kaioshin lists it as something that comes with Goku and Vegeta fusing, not a trait of the Potara.
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SSJ Gogeta in the movie's punches hurt Janemba but not too much, he recovered quite quickly.

I doubt he was trying to kill Janemba with those punches. He was going to finish him with his Soul Punisher.
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This is a weaker fusion, so the base form would be 5x weaker or more.

That is kind of just a baseless opinion unless you can show how you got 5x.
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Base Vegito is stronger than super buu/gohan. Or on par with him.

I can argue Base Vegetto being in between Ultimate Gohan and Gotenks-Boo just because he felt the need to transform, so it's not really set in stone that he was on par with Gohan-Boo. Even in the anime, Gohan-Boo didn't say Vegetto surpassed him until he went Super Saiyan.
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It's a big gap.

I don't think so. Certainly nothing like 5x. If I had a significant gap between them, it wouldn't be more than 2x.
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I think SSJ vegito would be required for victory now.

Base Gogeta: 1
SSj: 50
SSj2: 100
SSj3: 400
SSj4: at least 4,000

Base Gogeta: 5
SSj: 250
SSj2: 500
SSj3: 2,000
SSj4: 20,000

Even if we used your 5x gap, Vegetto would need Super Saiyan 4 to surpass SSj4 Gogeta, using official multipliers for the first three forms. We know Omega Shenron was too much for Super Saiyan 3 Gogeta, otherwise why not use that form? It surely wouldn't sap as much energy, and if it was enough to get the job done, it would've been a smarter choice. There's also the point about Gogeta being surprised Omega survived his Big Bang Kamehameha, even though it was meant to destroy him. So unless you think Gogeta held back so much power so that his blast was on Super Saiyan 3 level, which is at least 10x weaker, then Omega is above that (which ties into why he didn't just use Super Saiyan 3 if it would've been enough).

tl;dr: Omega is just barely in the realm of SSj4 Gogeta, so even when using your gap, Vegetto would also need Super Saiyan 4 to win. Anything lower would result in a roflstomp in Omega's favor.
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Being an adult or kid would have no affect on anything but stamina. The power would be the same. But yeah, Omega Shenron would be horribly more powerful than SSj3 Goku, adult or kid, unless you think Goku lost more than 10x his power turning into a kid. :p And yes, that is stated in the show and in the GT Perfect Files that Goku only lost stamina.

Hmm...well I think the rest of my post stands, unless of course SSj4 really is 10x of ssj3 or more since SSj4 Goku would rolfstomp Baby in a few hits if that was the case, I just can't see it being that powerful but I know very little about GT.
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