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In Buu saga is this correct? Goku = Vegeta?; well I think they were equal.
Topic Started: Jul 26 2011, 10:31 PM (2,268 Views)
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Oh well if even though he could go SSJ2 it would obviously be a weak version without the majin increase which I'm sure Kid Buu would tank easily that would put Goku incredibly far ahead of Vegeta he was on par with Kid Buu and Vegeta was strong enough to survive against him
That would make SSj3 Goku like 5 times stronger than SSj2 Vegeta
So that makes SSj2 Vegeta roughly 5x weaker than Kid Buu, who would have then utterly obliterated him with no trouble at all

Kid Buu could have killed Vegeta any time he wanted, even if he was as strong as Majin Vegeta, he just liked to play with his victims, so it says nothing on Vegeta's strength.

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I would say it makes more sense for it to be removed with death or the masters death if Vegeta never died why would it stay? It's not a tattoo it's a magical seal binding the victims soul to the caster

Yes the seal leaves when the master is killed, as I think Supreme Kai said, but whether that was what got rid of Vegeta's seal, or the fact Vegeta died, isn't answered.

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But Bibidi created Buu if the power they create disappeared after they died then Buu should have died when Bibidi did it only makes sense for their magic to work the same way

Because Bibidi didn't have control over Buu like Babidi had over Vegeta or Spopovich, he just created Buu.
Edited by Clearin, Jul 27 2011, 12:15 AM.
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Hmm...this could all be cleared up if we resort to filler lol. In regard to Majin seal and master link. Unlike some people I have no qualms in using anime as a second cannon when the manga does not give the answer.

Going by filler once vegeta died, the seal was removed with him. This is evident in checking station between him and King Yenma
Edited by shonen, Jul 27 2011, 12:21 AM.
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buu rebelled

Because he wasnt under Bibidi's control, hence the lack of an M on his forehead

It still makes sense he's a creation of magic if the power wasn't retained with Vegeta then the magic must not work like that meaning Buu stays alive because the power of the magic stays
But not the mind control because they have to be linked to the caster and when the caster or the possesed(castee?) dies the link it terminated
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Jul 27 2011, 12:14 AM
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But Bibidi created Buu if the power they create disappeared after they died then Buu should have died when Bibidi did it only makes sense for their magic to work the same way

Because Bibidi didn't have control over Buu like Babidi had over Vegeta or Spopovich, he just created Buu.
*nods in agreement* mhm! thats what i just said!
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Jul 26 2011, 11:04 PM
Nobody know about the Yakon fight then?

I know Goku/Vegeta are equal Majin and post-Majin Vegeta for the ssj2 form. Earlier forms don't know, they could've been equal even pre-majin.
Pretty sure Goku was only SSJ. First of all, his appearance is SSJ. Second of all, he turns SSJ2 before fighting Vegeta, and then Vegeta makes a comment like "So, you've surpassed your son's power when he defeated Cell."
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has anyone ever stopped to think that maybe Trunks just bought his sword somewhere or something? There's nothing really special about it.

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Well it did manage to slice Frieza into a shishkebab so it must've been packing more power than your average blade. Hell even Zelda's sword couldn't pull off that ****.



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I don't believe in power levels after the Frieza Saga. :D
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In majin vegeta vs ssj2 goku fight they were equal

in kid buu vs ssj2 goku fight ssj2 goku did better than when he went ssj3
in kid buu vs ssj2 vegeta vegeta got chocked

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Jul 27 2011, 02:37 PM
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Jul 26 2011, 11:04 PM
Nobody know about the Yakon fight then?

I know Goku/Vegeta are equal Majin and post-Majin Vegeta for the ssj2 form. Earlier forms don't know, they could've been equal even pre-majin.
Pretty sure Goku was only SSJ. First of all, his appearance is SSJ. Second of all, he turns SSJ2 before fighting Vegeta, and then Vegeta makes a comment like "So, you've surpassed your son's power when he defeated Cell."
of course he was a ssj just look at his bangs
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They are equal in power when in exact forms. Obviously I'm speaking of when Vegeta retains the Majin Seal. I like to believe he kept the powers he got from the seal or else it wouldn't be much of a potential locker if it returned you to normal. So in every form they are equals with Vegeta having the slight edge. Though Goku is stronger due to having the SSJ 3 form.
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Jul 28 2011, 10:26 PM
In majin vegeta vs ssj2 goku fight they were equal

in kid buu vs ssj2 goku fight ssj2 goku did better than when he went ssj3
in kid buu vs ssj2 vegeta vegeta got chocked

Goku never fought Kid Boo as a Super Saiyan 2. That was anime filler. In the manga, he went straight to Super Saiyan 3. That was an incredible fight in the anime, though; beautifully animated.
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^^you know that your siggy just contradicted your post, right?
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Jul 29 2011, 09:44 PM
^^you know that your siggy just contradicted your post, right?
Or did it?
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^^you know that your siggy just contradicted your post, right?
Or did it?
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Summary of my opinion

Goku > Vegeta
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Look, here is a quote that implies Goku went SSJ2 to finish off Dabura and Vegeta was an SSJ2 prior to the Majin power up;

Chapter: 451 (DBZ 257), P10.5
Context: after Goku makes Yakon explode with his Super Saiyan aura
Vegeta: “So that bastard Kakarot has also surpassed that wall…The Super Saiyan wall…”

Considering he was underwhelmed with SSJ2 Teen Gohan, reinforces Vegeta being SSJ2;

Chapter: 452 (DBZ 258), P1.1-4
Goku: “Gohan, it’s your turn next, but have you trained properly?”
Vegeta: “Unfortunately, it seems he got carried away in peace and didn’t do any significant training. Our powers are higher than his now…Though I suppose there’s no telling what would happen if he snapped and went into a frenzy… ”

Then we have Vegeta basically saying that he only got the Majin power up because he suspected that Goku was far above SSJ2 Kid Gohan;

Vegeta: “I’m looking forward to this…Show me the fruits of your training in the afterlife. *Goku transforms into Super Saiyan 2* Just as I’d expect. Your power is greater than Gohan’s was back then!”

As KP has already said, it is suggested that Babidi's possession didn't have anything to do with the power up per se. It was 'a two part process'.

So in conclusion I have;

SSJ2 Goku>SSJ2 Vegeta (pre majin)=>SSJ2 Kid Gohan

Majin Vegeta=SSJ2 Goku

SSJ2 Vegeta (vs Kid Buu)=SSJ2 Goku.

Edited by Cocoman, Jul 30 2011, 02:48 AM.
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