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Super Perfect Cell VS Broly (Second coming); Fight
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Broly has gained a zenkai this time. Who will win?
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a previous topic: http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8096998/1/

and I believe that there is one even before that one...

Broly definitely has the potential to beat SPC, seeing as how he's beaten SSJ2 Gohan in Movie 2. I'd say that that Gohan is about as strong as SPC was, and that Gohan got stomped.
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Well, Son Gohan stated that he is stronger then he was the last time they met, and that would mean that he is stronger then Cell Games Son Gohan.

Cell gets stomped in my view.
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Well, Son Gohan stated that he is stronger then he was the last time they met, and that would mean that he is stronger then Cell Games Son Gohan.

Cell gets stomped in my view.
Well, SPC was stronger than Cell Games Gohan as well in Mssj form.
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Well, Son Gohan stated that he is stronger then he was the last time they met, and that would mean that he is stronger then Cell Games Son Gohan.

Cell gets stomped in my view.
Well, SPC was stronger than Cell Games Gohan as well in Mssj form.
It was nowhere stated that Cell is stronger, frankly, there is more evidence that Cell is not stronger then Son Gohan, more just in his league.
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LSSJ Broly stomps all of the SSJ2 Adults (with the exception of Post Z sword Gohan) imo therefore he destroys SPCell.
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Well, Son Gohan stated that he is stronger then he was the last time they met, and that would mean that he is stronger then Cell Games Son Gohan.

Cell gets stomped in my view.
I cant stress enough how much bullcrap i think that is, no way is gohan the same one from movie 8. in movie 10 he would be but thats because gohan discovered ssj2. Thats what he meant in the movie. As far as comparing it to the cell games gohan?? this movie was a one shot, in fact broly IS cell, not the other way around, for this movie the concept was invented, and like the rest of them, even though they can fit/placed in the timeline or just a certain one, are still just one shots, NOTHING to do with the continuity of the anime or manga. A movie placed in between sagas or episodes, so even though these events have taken place at around the same time doesnt make it the same event. Gohan as an mssj in movie 8 when it was obvious no one trained in the rosat is just weird to me. To me it proves that what im saying is true, they are just stealing certain elements FROM the show and sticking them in. Movie wise nusu what you say is true, but ive seen no proof of this happening in the main timeline let alone the cell games, which are never even mentioned, besides the fact that goku and gohan trained and rested those ten days of wait and NEVER powered down. As strong as goku and gohan were they couldnt take broly who i believe they should have been able to kill. The gap was nowhere near that big. Goku should have been able to kill him. Instead he became a pop character villain and he was brought back to life.
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Well, Son Gohan stated that he is stronger then he was the last time they met, and that would mean that he is stronger then Cell Games Son Gohan.

Cell gets stomped in my view.
I cant stress enough how much bullcrap i think that is, no way is gohan the same one from movie 8. in movie 10 he would be but thats because gohan discovered ssj2. Thats what he meant in the movie.
I'll stop you there.
Gohan said that he had powered up after fighting in base therefore your argument that he was talking about achieving SSJ2, is highly illogical.

The fact is SSJ2 Teen Gohan (movie 10)>>SSJ2 Teen Gohan (main tmeline).
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Jul 6 2011, 01:04 PM
Well, Son Gohan stated that he is stronger then he was the last time they met, and that would mean that he is stronger then Cell Games Son Gohan.

Cell gets stomped in my view.
I cant stress enough how much bullcrap i think that is, no way is gohan the same one from movie 8. in movie 10 he would be but thats because gohan discovered ssj2. Thats what he meant in the movie. As far as comparing it to the cell games gohan?? this movie was a one shot, in fact broly IS cell, not the other way around, for this movie the concept was invented, and like the rest of them, even though they can fit/placed in the timeline or just a certain one, are still just one shots, NOTHING to do with the continuity of the anime or manga. A movie placed in between sagas or episodes, so even though these events have taken place at around the same time doesnt make it the same event. Gohan as an mssj in movie 8 when it was obvious no one trained in the rosat is just weird to me. To me it proves that what im saying is true, they are just stealing certain elements FROM the show and sticking them in. Movie wise nusu what you say is true, but ive seen no proof of this happening in the main timeline let alone the cell games, which are never even mentioned, besides the fact that goku and gohan trained and rested those ten days of wait and NEVER powered down. As strong as goku and gohan were they couldnt take broly who i believe they should have been able to kill. The gap was nowhere near that big. Goku should have been able to kill him. Instead he became a pop character villain and he was brought back to life.
I doubt it is 'bull crap' as you kindly recall it.

Anyhow.

Think, Son Gohan said that line in base and that judgement was made after Son Gohan fought Broli mano e mano. So by your logic, Son Gohan meant the SSJ 2 when he said that, so that means that the SSJ 2 would not be enough to defeat SSJ Broli? I mean, Son Gohan made the statement after the fight with SSJ Broli, he doubts his power as SSJ 2 against SSJ Broli? I rather go by my logic.

This is a movie, Toei can throw in whatever they like. It could easily be the same what they did in 'Mecha Cooler' and 'Wrath of the Dragon'.

Movie 8 play's right before the Cell Games, within those '10' day's. Son Gohan has his Post-RoSaT hairstyle and the SSJ, Son Gohan was in the RoSaT this is proven, by Son Gohan's look as said. Prince Vegeta is a SSJ in the movie, I proved that already by showing material of the movie where Prince Vegeta gets knocked out and reverts back to base, no muscle decrease, or hair decrease, Prince Vegeta was also a SSJ in the Cell Games. Trunks has his Post-RoSaT hairstyle, if this is like some believe mid-RoSaT then Trunks should've had his short hairstyle, or the hairstyle with the hair band on, Trunks is also SSJ, if you like you can take a look at my 'Post-RoSaT Trunks Theory' topic I linked in my sig. Kamicolo's absence can be explained with the Post-RoSaT theory as well.

The only thing that seems by people to be used as disprove is Son Gohan and Son Goku not being MSSJ at the beginning of the *****ing movie.
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Jul 6 2011, 04:54 PM
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Jul 6 2011, 01:04 PM
Well, Son Gohan stated that he is stronger then he was the last time they met, and that would mean that he is stronger then Cell Games Son Gohan.

Cell gets stomped in my view.
I cant stress enough how much bullcrap i think that is, no way is gohan the same one from movie 8. in movie 10 he would be but thats because gohan discovered ssj2. Thats what he meant in the movie.
I'll stop you there.
Gohan said that he had powered up after fighting in base therefore your argument that he was talking about achieving SSJ2, is highly illogical.

The fact is SSJ2 Teen Gohan (movie 10)>>SSJ2 Teen Gohan (main tmeline).
that maybe true but its still not the same guy. So...why would this gohan eat the main one?? how is he so strong?? dont see any evidence of that either. are you saying everyone in the movie was super stronger period? just in general?? how do you prove that?

Cant ride with you on that nusu, like i said, its obvious since its a one shot that the movie stole from the show. all the hairstylesare the same but the pls are in the crapper and so are the transformations. I have movie 10, the japanese one, and brolys ssj was no match for gohan, broly transformed because gohan did. That power blast broly threw? gohan was gonna tank it, till he seen that it wasnt aimed at him, he then deflects it back at broly and forms a ki shield of his own to protect the others. Proving gohan was stronger in base than broly was at ssj, so then what multiplier does the lssj transformation bring? seeing this (just now) convinces me this is super haxxed. being almost dead and not training even with a zenkai brings brolies lssj up past ssj2 gohan?? no, even stronger?? wow, crazy illogical garbage.

So how is it illogical for gohan to talk about his ssj2 power up, if this takes place during/after the cell games?? of course he would be talking about ssj2, and the power up in base he received from that. Her called broly a monster, yet hes the one not even transformed?? where did gohans strength go if hes just as mutantly strong as broly?? and he is!! jump 2 forms and broly jumps up one, and yet brolys stronger?? bunch, o, crap. Thats why i cant get over the fact that its more than possible gohan WASNT ssj2 during the fight. yes, for gohan aura and lighting are important, why forget the lightning and other identifying characteristics in this movie alone?? all the other movies had it, toei DIDNt forget because gohan being ssj2 would be overkill for letting broly beat him up and brining goku back for the final moments, GOKU was an ssj2, but i dont believe gohan was. I just dont see it.

I know you guys have seen this video, but this is pretty much how i think about it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlhRT0YBY9M
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Well, Son Gohan stated that he is stronger then he was the last time they met, and that would mean that he is stronger then Cell Games Son Gohan.

Cell gets stomped in my view.
I cant stress enough how much bullcrap i think that is, no way is gohan the same one from movie 8. in movie 10 he would be but thats because gohan discovered ssj2. Thats what he meant in the movie.
I'll stop you there.
Gohan said that he had powered up after fighting in base therefore your argument that he was talking about achieving SSJ2, is highly illogical.

The fact is SSJ2 Teen Gohan (movie 10)>>SSJ2 Teen Gohan (main tmeline).
that maybe true but its still not the same guy. So...why would this gohan eat the main one?? how is he so strong?? dont see any evidence of that either. are you saying everyone in the movie was super stronger period? just in general?? how do you prove that?

Cant ride with you on that nusu, like i said, its obvious since its a one shot that the movie stole from the show. all the hairstylesare the same but the pls are in the crapper and so are the transformations. I have movie 10, the japanese one, and brolys ssj was no match for gohan, broly transformed because gohan did. That power blast broly threw? gohan was gonna tank it, till he seen that it wasnt aimed at him, he then deflects it back at broly and forms a ki shield of his own to protect the others. Proving gohan was stronger in base than broly was at ssj, so then what multiplier does the lssj transformation bring? seeing this (just now) convinces me this is super haxxed. being almost dead and not training even with a zenkai brings brolies lssj up past ssj2 gohan?? no, even stronger?? wow, crazy illogical garbage.

So how is it illogical for gohan to talk about his ssj2 power up, if this takes place during/after the cell games?? of course he would be talking about ssj2, and the power up in base he received from that. Her called broly a monster, yet hes the one not even transformed?? where did gohans strength go if hes just as mutantly strong as broly?? and he is!! jump 2 forms and broly jumps up one, and yet brolys stronger?? bunch, o, crap. Thats why i cant get over the fact that its more than possible gohan WASNT ssj2 during the fight. yes, for gohan aura and lighting are important, why forget the lightning and other identifying characteristics in this movie alone?? all the other movies had it, toei DIDNt forget because gohan being ssj2 would be overkill for letting broly beat him up and brining goku back for the final moments, GOKU was an ssj2, but i dont believe gohan was. I just dont see it.

I know you guys have seen this video, but this is pretty much how i think about it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlhRT0YBY9M
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all the hairstylesare the same but the pls are in the crapper and so are the transformations.


I don't see how the power level's are crappy, Broli is a totally superior opponent, he is on par with Full Power Perfect Cell there would've been no difference, if Cell would've powered up against the group.

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I have movie 10, the japanese one, and brolys ssj was no match for gohan, broly transformed because gohan did.


See? We have something in common, we have the same Movie. I saw Broli grinning and at the end I saw him laughing his ***** of while Son Gohan was questioning his power.

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That power blast broly threw? gohan was gonna tank it


Actually, if he could've tanked it he wouldn't have opened a energy shield and would've flew into it, also, that was a regular Ki blast. So, that Son Gohan actually couldn't block that with his hands, makes him look pretty pathetic.

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Proving gohan was stronger in base than broly was at ssj


Yes, and that's why Son Gohan was questioning his power, and Broli was laughing at the end. :p

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being almost dead and not training even with a zenkai brings brolies lssj up past ssj2 gohan?? no, even stronger?? wow, crazy illogical garbage.


Ever heard of Toei DBZ Movies?

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So how is it illogical for gohan to talk about his ssj2 power up


Well, let me see. He said it in base against SSJ Broli, should I believe that SSJ 2 Son Gohan would actually have problems with SSJ Broli, instead of believing that Son Gohan powered up over the seven years? Which sounds more illogical?

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of course he would be talking about ssj2, and the power up in base he received from that.


I think he said that he powered up SINCE THEN, not that he has a new transformation SINCE THEN.

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Her called broly a monster, yet hes the one not even transformed??


I don't see the point there, but maybe I could use my own logic.

He thought that he could take on Broli in base, because he powered up since then, sadly he was badly mistaken, and found out that Broli is still the same dick that he was seven years ago.

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jump 2 forms and broly jumps up one, and yet brolys stronger??


Actually.

That only indicates that SSJ 2 Son Gohan surpassed SSJ 1 Broli. Wait, didn't he just question his SSJ 2 power moments ago against SSJ 1 Broli? :unsure:

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Thats why i cant get over the fact that its more than possible gohan WASNT ssj2 during the fight


That again?

Okay, Son Gohan displayed two Saiyajin forms and two different hairstyles, the first he appeared with had the one bang hairstyle, the second he appeared with had the two bang hairstyle. Now I wonder which one was SSJ 1. :D

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yes, for gohan aura and lighting are important, why forget the lightning and other identifying characteristics in this movie alone?? all the other movies had it


Yes, because Movie 12 and 13 had it `*Sarcasm*. Toei didn't even give SSJ 2 Gohan in Movie 9 permanent lightning, they even gave him a SSJ 3 aura. :o_O:

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I just dont see it.


I don't see it either, but I mean that differently.
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Wait wait, so, can you explain in-depth about this whole "Movie 10 Gohan > Main Timeline Gohan" thing? From a non-biased standpoint, it sounds completely possible and plausible given Toei's track record, but, if it's only going off of that one quote that Gohan said that is somewhat debatable, then, I'm quite skeptical. Where's all the evidence, empirical or otherwise?
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Wait wait, so, can you explain in-depth about this whole "Movie 10 Gohan > Main Timeline Gohan" thing? From a non-biased standpoint, it sounds completely possible and plausible given Toei's track record, but, if it's only going off of that one quote that Gohan said that is somewhat debatable, then, I'm quite skeptical. Where's all the evidence, empirical or otherwise?
Well the dragonballs are used while a month later in the main timeline, the dragonballs are used. This means the movies cannot belong from the same timeline especially when Bio-Broly takes place. It wouldn't make sense for Bio-Broly to belong to the main timeline either because Krillen was turned to stone and Goten and Trunks flew away to see Babidi.

So if Gohan states that he had 'powered up,' this surely means that he must have undertaken training during the 7 year gap correct? If this is the case then movie 10>Main Timeline Gohan.

+@Ninja, dbfights is a joke. He is just a mad Broly hater who thinks that Kid Buu>>>Super Buu and that Broly is a SSJ1 tier pahahahhahaha.
He has been taken the piss out of on many forums for ridiculous theories and now he tries to brainwash retarded dbz noobs on youtube.
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Wait wait, so, can you explain in-depth about this whole "Movie 10 Gohan > Main Timeline Gohan" thing? From a non-biased standpoint, it sounds completely possible and plausible given Toei's track record, but, if it's only going off of that one quote that Gohan said that is somewhat debatable, then, I'm quite skeptical. Where's all the evidence, empirical or otherwise?
You could say Son Gohan having his training clothes on could count as evidence. Also, he fought pretty good against a superior opponent despite being supposedly rusty. But overall, there is no further strong evidence to back Son Gohan's power increase up, besides the line of course.
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