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How strong was tien (Cell Saga)?
Topic Started: Jul 1 2011, 06:20 PM (6,980 Views)
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Jul 23 2011, 12:39 AM
I just think (and I'm not as smart as most here about dbz) that some attacks don't have to be powerhouse techniques to be successful. It didn't "hurt" Cell, it just slowed him down.

Krillin used Solar Flare against Dadoria, and (same equation) was no match for him, but the technique was effective because of it's nature.
Yeh but the Tri-beam clearly had to be very powerful to push back Cell, even if it didn't hurt him. Granted though, he probably initially caught Cell by surprise, and maybe after that Cell struggled to gather his power.
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Jul 23 2011, 12:44 AM
The Tri-Beam is wayyyy past 2x power no doubt. In the Vegeta Saga Tien was nearly dead when he used it on Nappa.

The Kamehameha against Raditz mutiplied Goku's power by over 2x, and the Tri-beam/kikoho is clearly stronger than the kamehameha.

I put the Destructo Disc at at least 3x(Krillin uses it on Freeza 2nd form....lol I just heard the Sheesh kebab comment on youtube....*facepalm*), but more like 6 times, since it was capable of cutting Nappa(and Vegeta told Nappa to move out of the way, although Vegeta can't sense ki).

I think the kikoho is stronger than the Destructo disc or as strong at least, so it's gotta be at least x6.
1. Tien wasn't nearly dead as such. He was just damaged. I doubt he went below 1k. So in other words the normal tri-beam can't have a multiplier of over 4 if his tri beam didn't kill suppressed Nappa.

2. The destructo disc is BY FAR the strongest technique in dbz no question. It hasn't been blocked once in the whole of dbz (going by the manga).
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Wasn't the Kikoho stated to have a multiplier of ten back in DB?
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Can we use Power level relations to determine how strong tien was. All I need to know is how strong piccolo (before fusing) was at the Cell saga, and I can ball park an accurate Idea of Tien's power level.
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I'd give Piccolo like 600,000,000 by then(just before fusing).
I just give him x5 every year for intense training.
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Jul 23 2011, 10:03 PM
I'd give Piccolo like 600,000,000 by then(just before fusing).
I just give him x5 every year for intense training.



If that's true then Tien is

32,727,272 PL
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Jul 23 2011, 10:03 PM
I'd give Piccolo like 600,000,000 by then(just before fusing).
I just give him x5 every year for intense training.



If that's true then Tien is

40,000,000 PL
Only 15x weaker?

My Piccolo would be around 250-285,000,000 -- safely above Freeza and the androids, but generously below the pre-RoSaT Super Saiyans (Trunks: 375,000,000; Goku: 400,000,000; Vegeta: 425,000,000).

My Tenshinhan would be 750,000-2,000,000.
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Jul 25 2011, 09:54 AM
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Jul 23 2011, 10:03 PM
I'd give Piccolo like 600,000,000 by then(just before fusing).
I just give him x5 every year for intense training.



If that's true then Tien is

40,000,000 PL
Only 15x weaker?

My Piccolo would be around 250-285,000,000 -- safely above Freeza and the androids, but generously below the pre-RoSaT Super Saiyans (Trunks: 375,000,000; Goku: 400,000,000; Vegeta: 425,000,000).

My Tenshinhan would be 750,000-2,000,000.



This is normal without using the Neo tri beam, like in standard fighting form power level i was giving.
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I was reading through when Trunks arrived, and I found a quote that may help someone. It's Tenshinhan talking about why he'll come to help against the androids.

Viz, Volume 12, pg.158
Context: Bulma warns the non-Saiyans against fighting
Tenshinhan: "But I want to know just what I can do in battle... And if I die... Then it was an honorable death."

So when people bring up him arriving to fight the androids alongside everyone else, I think this sort of explains why, without having to explain him getting so strong...if that makes sense.
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I see Tien in the 2-3 million range by the Androids and then any number up to 150 mill by the Buu saga...
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So, if Tien had a 2 million powerlevel...that would mean the Neo Tri Beam would give him a multiplier of over 600x.
Thats very farfetched if you ask me.
Its true im a huge Tien fan but im honeslty not being biased when I say that Tien had to be much stronger than 2 million.
Enlightened or Alien, Tien has proven to be more powerful than the average Z fighter human. Im not saying he had a ridiculious powerlevel even close to Piccolo's, but I don't see any attack being that strong.
I don't see any attack being 200x strong.
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Jul 29 2011, 04:36 PM
My powerlevels are...

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So, if Tien had a 2 million powerlevel...that would mean the Neo Tri Beam would give him a multiplier of over 600x.
Thats very farfetched if you ask me.
Its true im a huge Tien fan but im honeslty not being biased when I say that Tien had to be much stronger than 2 million.
Enlightened or Alien, Tien has proven to be more powerful than the average Z fighter human. Im not saying he had a ridiculious powerlevel even close to Piccolo's, but I don't see any attack being that strong.
I don't see any attack being 200x strong.
Then he could be 6,500,000 and have a 199x multiplier. >_< The multiplier would still be supremely larger than that during the Boo arc. Even if you have Tenshinhan at 150,000,000 by the Boo arc, the multiplier would have to be over 6,000x to reach Boo. If you wanted to keep the multiplier 200x or less, Tenshinhan would need to be about 5,000,000,000, putting him in the realm of the Cell Games Super Saiyans. :errm:
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Lol, I think Perfect Cell was 1,800,000,000-2,000,000,000 (1 billion 800 million- 2 billion). Not 5,000,000,000. XD (5 billion)
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Well Buutenk was out of everybody's league. He clearly fired a weaker blast but that blast should have been able to take out a Cell arc Villain then Tien deflected it with a normal Kikoho.

It looks like Tien got some sort of plothack especially for Buutenks to brag about knocking him out in one kick.
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So does everyone agree with my Power level as being somewhat close to reality and being consistent with the storyline ?
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