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Piccolo (frieza saga) fused with Kami & Nail v SSJ Goku (Post x100g training)
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+ Pyrus Jun 29 2011, 05:15 AM Post #16
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 Exactly. What Nail knew of was Freeza's suppressed 1st Form power, which was logically and definitively much lower than 530,000.
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oodle Jun 29 2011, 05:38 AM Post #17
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 So really what ur saying is that Nail had no idea how much power Piccolo would gain from his Fusion with Nail?

Let's say Nail thinks Frieza is at 250k
Nail suggests that a fusion with kami would result in Piccolo probably being stronger

(fusion with kami = 70k+300 x4/5 = 280/350k

Except a fusion with Nail resulted in like a x10 increase and the fusion with kami should logically be stronger. It's x20-x25 still imo.


I'm beginning to think that Nail saying a fusion with kami would be better than a fusion with himself is like error. In retrospect to the android saga of course.
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Paikuan extreme Jun 29 2011, 06:15 AM Post #18
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 as stated, nail didnt know how strong frieza really was, with kami piccolo could have taken friezas 3rd form with a good fight, but not the final one. Initial form frieza was just over a half a million in power. Piccolo could have gotten the power to kill frieza in his initial form and prevent frieza from transfroming. But thats it. A full power 3rd form would give piccolo the blues, ssj2 goku would look at piccolo with pity. frieza saga or not.
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oodle Jun 29 2011, 06:50 AM Post #19
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 I think ur ignoring my point
Ok we now know that Nail didn't know Frieza's power in his second form. Or even the max power of his first.
The point I'm trying to make now is that the fusion with Nail has to be FAR stronger than a fusion with kami for it to make sense in regards to the android power levels. We have to basically discard what Nail said about the Fusion with Kami being stronger.

We all know Akira wanted to end dbz at the Frieza saga. Well at the point of writing that saga he suggests that the Fusion with Kami is stronger than a fusion with Nail. I'm thinking around a x12 boost from Nail now. So it's at least a x25 from kami, if we go off of his suggestion that it's a stronger fusion

It doesn't matter if Nail thinks Frieza's PL is 60k or 150k, the fact is that the fusion with Nail resulted in a x12 power increase. The fusion with Kami is suggested by the writing to be stronger. Kami's PL is only like 300, so it's atleast a x25 increase.


When he did the android saga the fusion multiplier from Kami suddenly becomes 3-4x. It really is like an error.

70,000 + 42,000 x 12 = 1,344,000
1,344,00 x25 = 33,600,000
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+ Pyrus Jun 29 2011, 08:36 AM Post #20
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 He didn't want to end it there.
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oodle Jun 29 2011, 08:50 AM Post #21
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 So it's just speculation then. hmm oh well.

Doesn't change the other facts i stated, Nail perception of Frieza's power is MEANINGLESS. The fact still stands that Piccolo got around a 12x power increase from it.

The ONLY way the android saga will make sense (power level wise) is if;
Piccolo (Frieza Saga, pre fusion) = 600k
that way Nail's fusions add's like x2.5 = 1,500,000

So Kami Fusion could be something like x4.5 resulting in;
Piccolo (Frieza saga, Kami fusion sans Nail) = 2,700,000

So Piccolo (Frieza saga, Kami+Nail) = 6,750,000
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Paikuan extreme Jun 29 2011, 09:21 AM Post #22
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 lol, youre making mountains out of molehills, regardless of what Pl multiplier piccolo got he's not beating anyone youve mentioned as opponents. You asked the question, we told you no, so you find another way to argue whats truly meaningless? nail said what he said to piccolo because he thought it was true, what that means is just that. Nothing else.
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oodle Jun 29 2011, 09:39 AM Post #23
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 Ok then have it ur way. Kami fusion is x3 at best. Changed the topic then.


SSJ Goku = 4,500,000
Piccolo = 4 - 4.5 million.

This would be an even fight imo
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+ Pyrus Jun 29 2011, 12:24 PM Post #24
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 What is the topic now?
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oodle Jun 29 2011, 01:14 PM Post #25
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 Now it's vs SSJ Goku (arrival on namek)
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SuperNamek Aug 9 2011, 05:20 AM Post #26
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Ok, I just want to add one thing that if piccolo fused with kami and took on frieza (full power) piccolo would have won probably effortlessly, and i'll tell you why. While I was watching the anndroid saga i noticed how Vegeta (in shock) realized how with the combined powers of piccolo and kami, vegeat even in his super saiyan form was no match for piccolo. And to add more to that vegeat at the time surpassed goku by a little due to his 450X gravity training and still was weaker than piccolo, yet goku was able to defeat frieza in his final form (100% power).
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+ Pyrus Aug 9 2011, 05:31 AM Post #27
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 I hope nobody thinks Piccolo would lose.
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SuperNamek Aug 9 2011, 05:34 AM Post #28
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lol i doubt he would. Unless somehow he fought him at half power he'd be pretty even.
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