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Vegeta (SSJ @ Super 17 Saga) is = Super Baby 2
Topic Started: Jun 23 2011, 08:40 AM (1,237 Views)
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Ur probably thinking that the mere thought of that is ludicrous but! i was watching super 17 fights and noticed something odd. Now Majuub is slightly weaker than Super Baby 2 by my count, so SSJ Vegeta might actually be on par with him.

Majuub, Vegeta (SSJ) and the others fight Super 17, Majuub unloads a series of punches against 17 that have no affect. the Z fighters then all get beaten by Super 17, 17 then blasts them, vegeta is the only way to fire back/the quickest back to his feet. 17 shrugs off Final Shine and blasts the z fighters again, taking out each of the Z fighters. He then defeats the Z fighters 1 by 1.


Really Majuub barely survived 17's first flash bomb, after the second flash bomb we see a short glimpse of majuub flying away, but in the next scene is is laid on on the floor. All the other fighters (trunks, goten) were able to still fight (except gohan). I'm not putting goten or trunks above majuub as they were dismissed with like 1 attack, but it seems like goten and trunks have gotten stronger than gohan aswell.

Vegeta got up after 17's initial attack, then his ki blast barrage (flash bomb?), then a second flash bomb, then he fought with 17 and got blasted and beaten. He then got up AGAIN! Majuub was out basically after the first flash bomb. Moreover it didn't even look like vegeta was ssj2.


Basically SSJ Goku is now also stronger than super baby 2 by the Super 17 saga.


NOW we are left with a few options

1. Majuub has lost like 70% of his total power since the fight with baby
2. Vegeta has somehow powered up immensely since the baby saga.
Edited by oodle, Jun 23 2011, 04:19 PM.
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The fact vegeta was the second strongest over gohan just goes to show how badly gt was. In the baby saga there is no way in hell vegeta is more powerful than ultimate gohan, and yet just to haxx him out he barely has to transform in order to take on 17 even though it was useless, ssj goku got with 17 but in the end opted out for ssj4, which still didnt help as goku and the others were to slow to realize they were feeding 17 all the strength he had. Ever since movie 13, gohan's been getting punked. Goku may have finally passed up gohan in strength and ability but vegeta was stagnant, his ssj2 maybe as strong as gokus ssj3 form eoz, but thats it. Super baby 2 would wipe out 17 easily. If he knew how that is.
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Super Baby 2 wouldn't beat Super 17. Majuub who is almost on even ground with Baby couldn't even make 17 flinch from his attacks.
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17 was already powered up from their attacks, or didnt you watch how he gained his power? his main ability to absorb energy was the whole point in the battle, in all the super 17 battles, they firem he absorbs and gets stronger. Like i said, when super 17 first fused, he was no stronger than any of the saiyans were, vegeta being haxxed meant he could take him out, and possbily gohan. after all the fighting and energy shooting even UUb wasnt strong enough to take 17 on, all the way up until mssj goku who was just staying afloat. SSj4 goku made the same mistake and almost died as well, from?.....not getting the fact that 17 was absorbing their power and getting stronger.
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Uh that's not how the battle went.

Battle start

-Z fighters attack 1 by 1. Each punch could not affect him. Majuub tries punching him as does goten and trunks, no affect (NO ENERGY BLASTS USED SO FAR BTW)
-Gohan fires Kamehameha, which 17 absorbs.
-17 knocks down each of the Z fighters in the blink of an eye
-Flash Bomb used ( z fighters can barely get up)
-Final Shine used, 17 absorbs it.
-Flash Bomb again (Vegeta, Goten and Trunks are the only ones left standing, Gohan downed)
-Goten and Trunks attack 17 but are defeated by 17
-Vegeta fights for a bit but 17 blasts him
-Vegeta gets back up and Goku arrives.
Edited by oodle, Jun 23 2011, 09:53 AM.
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apparently vegeta got a zenkai during the whole baby ordeal.
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Flashy Thing!

It seems it was like the majin thing, he got to keep the power after the seal was gone and in this case after baby was no longer in his body.
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Jun 23 2011, 09:51 AM
Uh that's not how the battle went.

Battle start

-Z fighters attack 1 by 1. Each punch could not affect him. Majuub tries punching him as does goten and trunks, no affect (NO ENERGY BLASTS USED SO FAR BTW)
-Gohan fires Kamehameha, which 17 absorbs.
-17 knocks down each of the Z fighters in the blink of an eye
-Flash Bomb used ( z fighters can barely get up)
-Final Shine used, 17 absorbs it.
-Flash Bomb again (Vegeta, Goten and Trunks are the only ones left standing, Gohan downed)
-Goten and Trunks attack 17 but are defeated by 17
-Vegeta fights for a bit but 17 blasts him
-Vegeta gets back up and Goku arrives.
what part about proving my point did you not get when you wrote this? and yet...it seems like you tried to contradict? as if 17 DIDNT absorb their energy. What fight were you watching?
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Jun 23 2011, 09:37 AM
17 was already powered up from their attacks, or didnt you watch how he gained his power? his main ability to absorb energy was the whole point in the battle, in all the super 17 battles, they firem he absorbs and gets stronger. Like i said, when super 17 first fused, he was no stronger than any of the saiyans were, vegeta being haxxed meant he could take him out, and possbily gohan. after all the fighting and energy shooting even UUb wasnt strong enough to take 17 on, all the way up until mssj goku who was just staying afloat. SSj4 goku made the same mistake and almost died as well, from?.....not getting the fact that 17 was absorbing their power and getting stronger.
U wrote even after the fighting and energy shooting, even uub wasnt strong enough to take 17 on. Uub couldn't affect 17 before he had absorbed it, u made it seem like 17 had absorbed all this energy then majuub started fighting.
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Super #17 most likely absorbed Gohan's Kamehameha, which added a good amount of power to him, and then proceeded to become stronger than all of them even with Super Saiyan 2 aiding them. They didn't transform until after he'd showered them with ki blasts, so we can't say for certain that he was even as strong as SSj Vegeta until after he'd absorbed Gohan's Kamehameha.

But after that, yes, Vegeta is shown to be a lot stronger than everybody else. Then again, Gohan is knocked out yet Goten and Trunks keep fighting for a minute more. Haha.
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my point exactly, at first super 17 was hella weak, then after a few blasts he got noticeably stronger. By the time vegeta was done he was in full swing, then goku came in shooting. Pretty obvious how nd why it happened. Not even trying to argue really, but vegeta = super baby 2 makes no sense unless he got to keep the power the tuffle organism gave him. Which i doubt considering he lost his tail from it.
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Yeah so in a way goten and trunks are shown to be more resilient than even majuub.

Vegeta attacks, his attacks don't affect 17, he gets thrown away
Majuub attacks, his attack don't affect 17
Trunks and Goten then attack, no affect
Then Gohan fires the kamehameha

Super 17 is initially shown to be stronger than majuub

Or are u saying that majuub hadn't powered up? I know after the kamehameha they go super saiyan/u see majuub's aura. Doesn't change the fact that Majuub was downed after the first flash bomb, Vegeta kept getting back up, in this fight he's shown to be way more stronger/resilient than majuub.
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Makes sense considering him and majuub are in the same power range. Vegetas ssj2 form is as strong as gokus ssj3 form eoz. But gohan should be super ultimate gohan, as he is ultimate and always turns ssj2 for some reason. By the the super 17 story majuubs role had been reduced, and so was his power. Even though at the beginning of gt him and goku were pretty even and goku at his bas is ssj3 eoz strong. So uub should be too, once he hit majuub, then it should have been over. Did Uub even transform into majuub? or are you just calling him that? Super 17 after the fusion was probably at broly movie 10 strength maybe a little higher. Hes a haxxed villain, then him getting stronger after the ki blasts was icing on the cake. I mean cmon, it almost seemed like he would gain a whole tier of strength depending on who fired the blast. Mssj goku couldnt take him, but also wasnt scared to fight him in that form so there must have been some reason goku maintained it until he decided to go ssj4 after seeing how strong 17 was getting without knowing why.
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Super #17's ki couldn't be sensed, remember? So Goku wouldn't really know if using Super Saiyan would be worth it or not at that point.

I don't think initial Super #17 would be as weak as Movie 10 Broly. He wasn't even phased by a punch to the face by Base Vegeta, who at that point, wasn't far behind Goku, who in Base was already past his previous Super Saiyan 3 strength.
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true, but hell 17 was all robot and not a cyborg like the original.
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