Saberoph

May 28 2011, 10:46 PM

Nope. Going by the Anime Jamemba beats the hell out of Ultimate Gohan, because Movie Goku is haxed like Anime Goku and Anime Goku>Ultimate Gohan, and Super Jamemba>SS3 Goku. That Goku is haxed to be stronger than Ultimate Gohan, so Super Jamemba is stronger than Ultimate Gohan.

So, going by the Manga Gohan stomps, but going by the Anime Jamemba stomps Gohan into the ground. Saying otherwise is dismissing stated facts and is using a biased opinion.

Ninjajp247

May 30 2011, 05:23 PM

soooo...are you saying this doesnt add up?

gogeta>janemba>ss3 goku>= ultimate gohan

cause if goku in the anime is stronger than gohan how could it be any other way? and if gohan was stronger than goku in the anime he would be above janemba.

Besides i dont have any copies of the manga, i stopped buying comics along time ago. I grew up on the anime, some stuff AT decided to change for drama, other stuff toei did on their own. what can i say? i like the anime...

Qwuall

Jun 2 2011, 10:05 AM

Ulimate Gohan > SSJ3 Gotenks > Super Janemba/super buu > Kid buu <=> SSj3 Goku > Fat buu/Fat janemba

I sort of believe Gohan was around the same level as Gotenks Buu. In their straight up brawl they were quite even, he only started losing because of Buu utilizing piccolo's intellegence.

Even though Goku lost pretty bad he was able to keep up with janemba briefly with sheer fighting ability. So though there is a power difference, its nowhere near as big as the difference between gohan and Super buu.

Ninjajp247

Jun 2 2011, 07:32 PM

alot of stuff is very strange indeed,

I understand goku couldnt take super buu, its obvious gohan should have won, then again with the way the anime messed up the order of power, they had to make goku redact what he was doing in order to properly introduce vegeto. In both the anime and manga ultimate gohan is the single strongest character, yet he couldnt survive a planet buster. The fact the anime made goku the hero is probably what everyone at toei agreed on, I think ultimate gohan should have killed him when he had the chance. So who kills buu in the manga then? wasnt it gokus universal genki dama? ultimate buu was something else, but in the end he fell to vegeto and lost all of his power, including the south kais, reverting back to his most dangerous and unpredictable form.

so in the manga goku eats fat buu? who is really just kid buu who absorbed south kai? so then why was goku able to take fat buu if he is kid buu with south kais power? and how was super buu created if all the evil made itself in to a form of its own became evil buu and then ate fat buu? how can he eat himself and get stronger? all of the absorption power makes sense but not the other stuff, i dont see how super buu could become stronger than goku by simple eating himself.

But then again since evil buu was stronger than fat buu is it safe to say that after eating fat buu he just gained the power he lost? cause just because the evil took form in to evil buu and he had the "bulk" of their shared power shouldnt mean hes any stronger than he was before eating fat buu and becoming super buu.

as far as i can tell super buu is a culmination of the power from the supreme kais which made him fat buu to begin with putting the evil deep inside, moving the evil to the outside is haxing him by making it seem like you are more powerful when you are evil. So even though its a new form? super buu shouldnt be any stronger than ss3 goku who could have "easily" destroyed fat buu when he was just one person. it just doesnt add up. Now after absorbing all of the others then yes super buu should easily be stronger than ss3 goku. But before? his power level shouldnt have risen at all from basically reconfiguring himself.

When goku and vegeta were inside of buu and released the others taking away that power, why would goku not feel confident taking buu on? why did he need more power? i think its because goku didnt have the strength for ssj3 again, he had run out. as i recall he needed a power up from shenron in order to kill kid buu on the kai planet. I dont have the manga but it was implied in the anime.

ultimate buu>gotenks buu>piccolo buu>superbuu=evil+fat buu=fat buu as one person, so if goku ss3 > fat buu, then why do two entities who share the same power in all and combine make a more powerful buu?

I dont know what the daizo says, but evil buu and fat buu were the same person split right down the middle, one good, one bad, the bad side was stronger as he got th majority of teh power they share, him eating the other half should only allow him to get that power back...not multiply it.

ss3 goku should at least = if not be able to beat super buu, who after losing all the absorbed power and the south kais power is reverted back to his original form, which makes him even weaker. and yet goku still cant fight kid buu on even terms? way to much haxing to destroy gokus strength is going on here. thats why all the confusion with toei, they saw the same thing i do, but then made goku too strong in some instances while circling around and coming right back to how it shouldve been, goku killing kid buu. who in fact without the kaioshins power should be even weaker than fat buu. Thats how i see this playing out, too many contradicitons and not enough keeping up with his own characters. For the anime that is.

In the manga is it any different? did goku run out of power? why the desperate need to fuse to fight someone he already fought? is it possible that super buu managed to hold on to some of the power he took from the others? if so then that makes sense why, otherwise i dont even see the need for vegeto except to introduce a new character.