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Mystic Gohan vs. Super Janemba
Topic Started: May 27 2011, 04:32 AM (8,008 Views)
Paikuan extreme May 28 2011, 01:29 AM Post #16
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Ninjajp247
May 28 2011, 12:46 AM
theres no point in even saying that considering thats exactly what gogeta is, vegeta on top of goku in power levels. Its gokus ss3 with vegetas majin ss2 sealing of the top. thats why the cold beat down on janemba, but movie 12 goku is an untrained goku that didnt kill majin buu, he was still dead and goku killed buu while he was alive. Anime goku and movie 13 pulverize this goku, movie12 goku's ss3 potential isnt that high, thats why janemba beat him up, a ss2 power up gets added as a multiplier forthe fusion and boom, youve got an already born ssj gogeta. Who im more than sure didnt need to go ssj to defeat janemba, but the power up was probably so great a strain that the character had to go to ssj to hold it all in. Janemba eats kid buu but not by much. Anime goku is stronger than janemba.
but movie 12 goku is an untrained goku that didnt kill majin buu,
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Saberoph May 28 2011, 01:37 AM Post #17
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 For Goku to be an untrained SS3 he would have had achieve SS3 between the Boo arc and Movie 12. But we know that didn't happen, to be untrained means Goku never Trained in SS3 but that's against what Goku is and the fact that it's said that Goku got stronger debunks Goku being untrained. Also just because SS3 Goku didn't kill Fat Boo doesn't mean Goku's SS3 is untrained.
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+ Pyrus May 28 2011, 03:20 AM Post #18
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 It's obvious all the events up until Super Boo formed happened in Movie 12's timeline. If you go by the manga releases, everything up until Goku and Vegeta inside Boo's body happened if I remember correctly.
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Paikuan extreme May 28 2011, 03:26 AM Post #19
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 then explain the massive power loss, cause an untrained ss3 goku with low potential right now is the only thing i can think of that makes sense for janembas butt whooping on him. He may have unlimited energy in otherworld, his strength level was peaked but weve seen him stronger, i dont see janemba defeating anyone over that level. SS3 goku compared to others at that time was the strongest in the movie along with vegeta, but gogeta had to be invented to see janemba, and even then it was super gogeta, i think gotenks base can take this guy, why is gogeta super if goku is on par with his movie 13 self? I thought maybe it was to handle the strain of transforming but thats just a wild guess.
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lunar2 May 28 2011, 03:26 AM Post #20
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May 28 2011, 03:20 AM
It's obvious all the events up until Super Boo formed happened in Movie 12's timeline. If you go by the manga releases, everything up until Goku and Vegeta inside Boo's body happened if I remember correctly.
but that can't be right, because goku is dead and vegeta doesn't have a body. as for exactly when buu was defeated, it could technically be any time before goku is revived by old kai, but we have different ideas of exactly when. i see arrogant showoff gotenks only going to ssj in front of a huge crows, and think he's pre rosat, because in that situation if he could go ssj3, he would. you see he used the kamikaze ghost, and put him post rosat because he wasn't seen to use that technique before. however, his fight against super buu was his first on panel fight in the manga, so it could very well be that like with all other fusions, gotenks automatically has techniques that neither of his components do.
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Saberoph May 28 2011, 05:01 AM Post #21
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May 28 2011, 03:26 AM
then explain the massive power loss, cause an untrained ss3 goku with low potential right now is the only thing i can think of that makes sense for janembas butt whooping on him. He may have unlimited energy in otherworld, his strength level was peaked but weve seen him stronger, i dont see janemba defeating anyone over that level. SS3 goku compared to others at that time was the strongest in the movie along with vegeta, but gogeta had to be invented to see janemba, and even then it was super gogeta, i think gotenks base can take this guy, why is gogeta super if goku is on par with his movie 13 self? I thought maybe it was to handle the strain of transforming but thats just a wild guess.
What power loss? Goku was stated to be stronger, so I don't see how Goku getting stronger being a power loss.
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Nusu May 28 2011, 06:53 AM Post #22
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Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr.

What's that with Goku being weaker? He clearly stated that he was alive when he fought Fat Boo, so he can't be weaker he can only be stronger because that got stated in the Movie.
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Paikuan extreme May 28 2011, 07:06 AM Post #23
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 he was alive in movie 12? and how can he be stronger? from when to when?are you saying that movie 12 goku is the same from the anime???
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Nusu May 28 2011, 08:07 AM Post #24
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Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr.

I said he was alive when he fought Fat Boo. Vegeta noticed the difference, he said that Goku trained while he is still the same.
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+ Pyrus May 28 2011, 08:21 AM Post #25
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May 28 2011, 03:20 AM
It's obvious all the events up until Super Boo formed happened in Movie 12's timeline. If you go by the manga releases, everything up until Goku and Vegeta inside Boo's body happened if I remember correctly.
but that can't be right, because goku is dead and vegeta doesn't have a body. as for exactly when buu was defeated, it could technically be any time before goku is revived by old kai, but we have different ideas of exactly when. i see arrogant showoff gotenks only going to ssj in front of a huge crows, and think he's pre rosat, because in that situation if he could go ssj3, he would. you see he used the kamikaze ghost, and put him post rosat because he wasn't seen to use that technique before. however, his fight against super buu was his first on panel fight in the manga, so it could very well be that like with all other fusions, gotenks automatically has techniques that neither of his components do.
Yeah, I see where you're coming from, and it's entirely possible. I just got the impression he learned those moves in the RoSaT, but I'm not sure if anything was said on that in the series or the guidebooks. Meh. Either way, the events of Fat Boo fighting Goku had to have happened for obvious reasons, but I guess everything after that is up to how you think they happened.
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+ Ryebrid May 28 2011, 12:15 PM Post #26
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May 28 2011, 12:46 AM
theres no point in even saying that considering thats exactly what gogeta is, vegeta on top of goku in power levels. Its gokus ss3 with vegetas majin ss2 sealing of the top. thats why the cold beat down on janemba, but movie 12 goku is an untrained goku that didnt kill majin buu, he was still dead and goku killed buu while he was alive. Anime goku and movie 13 pulverize this goku, movie12 goku's ss3 potential isnt that high, thats why janemba beat him up, a ss2 power up gets added as a multiplier forthe fusion and boom, youve got an already born ssj gogeta. Who im more than sure didnt need to go ssj to defeat janemba, but the power up was probably so great a strain that the character had to go to ssj to hold it all in. Janemba eats kid buu but not by much. Anime goku is stronger than janemba.
What are you trying to say dude?

Both Goku and Vegeta couldnt even hurt Janemba, he was laughing his arse off the whole time playing with them. It's obvious Base Gogeta wasn't strong enough so they went straight to Super Gogeta as Gotenks went SSJ3 straight away the second time.
I dont get what your trying to say.

Movie 13 has nothing to do with what im talking about.

Im saying its possible for Janemba to be stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan, i didnt say it was right.
The gap for where you put Janemba( in general) is a big gap which is why i cant give a definite answer.
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Saberoph May 28 2011, 01:27 PM Post #27
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May 28 2011, 07:06 AM
he was alive in movie 12? and how can he be stronger? from when to when?are you saying that movie 12 goku is the same from the anime???
No. Goku was dead in Movie 12 and Movie 13 is in it's own Universe. Movie 12 Goku is the same Goku that left for Otherworld, it's just in it's own Universe too. Also Goku couldn't have killed Boo because Goten and Trunks know Fusion, also it's said by Vegeta that Goku is now stronger, even in the Japanese Script.

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Paikuan extreme May 28 2011, 08:11 PM Post #28
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 super gogetas transformation doesnt make it obvious it was needed hybrid, it was obviously overkill if anything. I think it was just a ploy on toeis part to make him super gogeta, i think he transformed cause he needed to in order to hold the power, not because they needed it against janemba. I personally dont think janemba is strnger than gohan and there is no evidence to point otherwise, especially if ultimate gohans form is 100x stronger than gokus in the manga.

BUt yeah i was referring to movie 12 gokus strength in general for that universe. Movie 13 gokus strength was off the chain, and since this sint about any goku in particular i threw him in there. No harm done.

Otherwise, manga gohan>>janemba
anime janemba apparently eats or = gohan
either way it would be a lengthy fight that gohan would end quickly, and if gogeta's form is that weak to need to beat janemba then that means

gohan>base gogeta>janemba

super gogeta>gohan>janemba

janemba>ss3 goku even though goku IMo isnt at his full potential. its also the first time vegeta ever laid eyes on ss3.
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Saberoph May 28 2011, 10:46 PM Post #29
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 Nope. Going by the Anime Jamemba beats the hell out of Ultimate Gohan, because Movie Goku is haxed like Anime Goku and Anime Goku>Ultimate Gohan, and Super Jamemba>SS3 Goku. That Goku is haxed to be stronger than Ultimate Gohan, so Super Jamemba is stronger than Ultimate Gohan.

So, going by the Manga Gohan stomps, but going by the Anime Jamemba stomps Gohan into the ground. Saying otherwise is dismissing stated facts and is using a biased opinion.
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Nusu May 29 2011, 04:11 PM Post #30
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Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr.

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janemba>ss3 goku even though goku IMo isnt at his full potential. its also the first time vegeta ever laid eyes on ss3.


Vegeta did state that he saw the SSJ 3 from the after-life, and I hardly doubt he meant the fast transformation against Bootenks, since during that time, Vegeta was already on his way to earth. So, the knowledge of it must've come from the fight against Fat Boo where Goku transformed.
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