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The death of ultimate gohan in gt; wtf?!
Topic Started: May 5 2011, 07:12 PM (2,035 Views)
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I know that dbo has officially replaced gt in the cannon line, i would have to agree with this concept. Number 1 gripe.
goku ran out o energy way to fast fighting great ape baby
ultimate gohan didnt exist, at first i thought it was just baby unable to control gohans ultimate transformation, but it wasnt that at all. Gohan doesnt even have it!!

thoughts on why this is and how stupid could they be to have done this? the last time gohan used his ultimate power boost was in movie 12, whats up with that?
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I don't understand? How is DBO now replacing GT(Which was never Canon) in the timeline? A.T has only approved of it and has not written it has he? I recall him liking/approving of the SSJ4 form yet we know that doesn't make it canon. Sorry to get off topic just wanted to know this information.

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I guess GT could possibly be going with the theory that Ulitmate Gohan can access SSJ and that he's Ultimate form is just he's Base?
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actually sasuke i just found out from kamikaze the other day about the news with AT officially announcing dbo's cannon to dbz, he has the answers to that. He approved of ssj4 and helped pencil the baby saga, that makes it cannon IMO, however, taking away gohans ultimate transformation is the dumbest thing ever. It seemed alot more possible that he didnt even have it since he kept going ssj2 like it was going out of style.
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according to the gt perfect files, which have gt following the anime continuity, gohan kept training after buu, and relearned how to access ssj. so, gt ssj gohan is actually ssj ultimate gohan. stupid idea, but it fits the anime continuity.

now, going by the manga continuity, gohan got much weaker in gt, which fits with him being a scholar, and not training. through that process, he would regain some hidden power for ssj to tap into, so he could transform again. either way, in gt, base gohan is around kid buu's level, maybe a bit weaker.
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the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

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Going by your logic, Akira Toriyama made concept art of Broly, so Broly is canon, Movie 8 happens in the 10 days prior to the Cell Games while Movie 10 some days before the World Tournament, thanks for clearing my doubts.
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Toriyama came up with the initial idea for the Jump special, but it's still not canon since he didn't write it.
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broly is movie cannon neo- nice try though. all the movies are what ifs and dont fit in the timeline for a reason, i have yet to see any real evidence these guys even had a problem like cell let alone the rosat training. That incident with paragus and broly took way too long. according to my logic? gt is supposed to be the follow up anime to dbz, where do the movies fit? according to logic they dont fit, thats the point. You can place them in between certain events, doesnt mean they happened, especially since neither gohan, goku, or especially trunks and vegeta were in their transformed states, nor did they use them. If they had then vegeta and trunks would have saved the day. Nor ascended saiayn forms used by either one of them. Vegeta would have used it in a hot minute too.

Lunar: you know i actually thought about that concept, of gohan being super ultimate gohan, maybe thats why the gt power levels are so ridiculous, super ultimate gohan should have wiped the floor with baby.

also: why in the hell is krillin an old man? the majin buu saga was just a little over ten years when this started, how old was he then? making him an old man didnt make sense.

kamikaze: jump special? im not hip...or is that heroes legacy?
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broly is movie cannon neo- nice try though. all the movies are what ifs and dont fit in the timeline for a reason, i have yet to see any real evidence these guys even had a problem like cell let alone the rosat training. That incident with paragus and broly took way too long. according to my logic? gt is supposed to be the follow up anime to dbz, where do the movies fit? according to logic they dont fit, thats the point. You can place them in between certain events, doesnt mean they happened, especially since neither gohan, goku, or especially trunks and vegeta were in their transformed states, nor did they use them. If they had then vegeta and trunks would have saved the day. Nor ascended saiayn forms used by either one of them. Vegeta would have used it in a hot minute too.
If the movie was post-RoSaT, it makes sense for Vegeta and Trunks not to use the Grade forms since by then, they were deemed unnecessary and pretty much useless. It didn't matter how badly they were losing, they wouldn't have used the forms. They were losing against the Cell kids but still didn't use the forms.

That's just speaking from a standpoint that they didn't use the forms in the movie. Some believe they did.
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also: why in the hell is krillin an old man? the majin buu saga was just a little over ten years when this started, how old was he then? making him an old man didnt make sense.

At the end of Z he was 48. Five years later at the start of GT he'd be 53. I know he looks a lot older, like in his 60s at least, but that's what his age would be officially. Heh.
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"Yo! Son Goku and Friends Return!" It was the newest special with Tarble in it.
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May 5 2011, 08:35 PM
broly is movie cannon neo- nice try though. all the movies are what ifs and dont fit in the timeline for a reason, i have yet to see any real evidence these guys even had a problem like cell let alone the rosat training. That incident with paragus and broly took way too long. according to my logic? gt is supposed to be the follow up anime to dbz, where do the movies fit? according to logic they dont fit, thats the point. You can place them in between certain events, doesnt mean they happened, especially since neither gohan, goku, or especially trunks and vegeta were in their transformed states, nor did they use them. If they had then vegeta and trunks would have saved the day. Nor ascended saiayn forms used by either one of them. Vegeta would have used it in a hot minute too.

The Z Fighters were already out of the HTC, only Piccolo was still in it and that's why he appeared later in the movie. The Z Fighters went to New Planet Vegeta because Goku arranged with Cell (in the anime) that he wouldnt kill anyone before the Cell Games.

Movies 8, 9, 10 and 13 can fit perfectly into the timeline. I think that the logic the producers thought is not to confuse movies and anime, they all happen in the same timeline but they are not referenced because it would make confusion to the viewers.

The rest was well explained by Pyro.
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We could get technical and say that since the Anime follows the Manga that the Movies don't follow that Cannon Universe what so ever and that the Movies have their own Universe. ^_^
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May 5 2011, 08:35 PM
broly is movie cannon neo- nice try though. all the movies are what ifs and dont fit in the timeline for a reason, i have yet to see any real evidence these guys even had a problem like cell let alone the rosat training. That incident with paragus and broly took way too long. according to my logic? gt is supposed to be the follow up anime to dbz, where do the movies fit? according to logic they dont fit, thats the point. You can place them in between certain events, doesnt mean they happened, especially since neither gohan, goku, or especially trunks and vegeta were in their transformed states, nor did they use them. If they had then vegeta and trunks would have saved the day. Nor ascended saiayn forms used by either one of them. Vegeta would have used it in a hot minute too.

Lunar: you know i actually thought about that concept, of gohan being super ultimate gohan, maybe thats why the gt power levels are so ridiculous, super ultimate gohan should have wiped the floor with baby.

also: why in the hell is krillin an old man? the majin buu saga was just a little over ten years when this started, how old was he then? making him an old man didnt make sense.

kamikaze: jump special? im not hip...or is that heroes legacy?
anime continuity ssj3 goku > kid buu > buuhan >> ultimate gohan. following off that with gt, base gt goku > ssj3 goku > kid buu => base gt gohan > buuhan.

manga continuity: ultimate gohan > super buu >> kid buu => ssj3 goku, following off that with gt, ultimate gohan > super buu >> base gt goku > kid buu => base gt gohan~ssj3 goku.

you see? depending on which continuity you use as a reference for gt, the powers come out way different, but either way, base goku > base gohan.
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

for those that blindly follow word of god
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I see what you are saying, very interesting. I just covered the super 17 saga, two identical 17's fuse and make a character stronger than rildo and buu? nope, not believing it, especially since majuub and super ultimate gohan cant even lay a fist on him let alone even knock him around. So whos power is haxed? 17's? or goku's. if ultimate gohan really can go ssj in his ultimate state that should put him on par with goku at least...I like the storyline but not even uub and gohan could hurt 17, ridiculous, im starting to see why o one likes this series, its unrealistic, even for dbz.
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May 6 2011, 01:11 AM
I see what you are saying, very interesting. I just covered the super 17 saga, two identical 17's fuse and make a character stronger than rildo and buu? nope, not believing it, especially since majuub and super ultimate gohan cant even lay a fist on him let alone even knock him around. So whos power is haxed? 17's? or goku's. if ultimate gohan really can go ssj in his ultimate state that should put him on par with goku at least...I like the storyline but not even uub and gohan could hurt 17, ridiculous, im starting to see why o one likes this series, its unrealistic, even for dbz.
Normal No.17 had a bunch of hidden power that was released when he fused with Hell Fighter No.17. It's stated by Gero in the Japanese version. Apparently this hidden power was enough to surpass even Cell.
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true, he(dr myuu) did say he (17)would be stronger than cell, but were talking a power level no 2 fused 17's could touch, and thats the power of majin buu, only rildo had strength like that, and they played him off being destroyed by trunks and saving gohan...lame.

typo >_< , i meant trunks knocked baby down, for about a minute or so, and he wasnt even transformed.
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majuub destroyed rilldo, not trunks. majuub is stronger than super 2 baby vegeta, imo, or at least equal with him. now, @ super 17. android 17 was far stronger than he was during the android saga in dbz. hell fighter 17 was as strong as whatever form vegeta was using (i don't remember), and vegeta = goku in the same form. so, yeah, a fusion between them could easily be very powerful even by gt standards.
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

for those that blindly follow word of god
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