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Gohan tournament saga and Gohan movie 10
Topic Started: May 5 2011, 08:05 AM (1,592 Views)
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Badabing!

Broly just uses brute force in LSSJ. All the time he just gets way too arrogant in this state to just finish off anybody he fought against. Even in the final beam struggle he gets cocky and fires a weak ki blast to finish off Gohan and Goten and he gets *****ed over by Trunks lol.

Anyway OT they seemed to revamp Gohan in Movie 10 compared to the anime and manga Gohan as if he never stopped training (as shown by him doing ok-ish in his base form against ssj Broly.) Also from a writing point of view it would have just been anti-climatic and pretty stupid for Broly to kill a fan favourite (even though Broly is a fan favourite he's a villain so he HAD to die).
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Saberoph
May 5 2011, 03:40 PM
Well yea, but you get what I mean right?
I assume, I do. :)

Neo.

The Movie's are made in a copy of the main-time line, like lunar said. Also, the movie was made after the Budokai as far as I can remember.
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Guys, i know that the movies are non canon, since Bojack Unbound or the Garlic Junior Saga fit fine in the timeline, but it can be considered that "they happen" although they are not referenced neither by the manga or anime.

What i really ment to say is that Movies 8 and 10 could have happened, since they fit in the timeline without many inconsistencies.

@ Pyro. Your post made me laugh a lot.
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But they don't because they are not part of the Manga Cannon Universe, and the Anime comes from the Manga. So if the Manga says nothing about Broli or Bojack, then they did NOT happen in that universe.
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Saberoph
May 5 2011, 08:13 PM
But they don't because they are not part of the Manga Cannon Universe, and the Anime comes from the Manga. So if the Manga says nothing about Broli or Bojack, then they did NOT happen in that universe.
You know, we dont have to be so strict..
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Cannon is Cannon weather you like it or not. If it didn't happen in the Manga then it doesn't exist in the Cannon Universe what so ever.

I want Coola to fit in the main timeline and say he's a cannon character, but I don't say he was because I want him to.
Edited by Saberoph, May 5 2011, 09:02 PM.
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Saberoph
May 5 2011, 08:52 PM
Cannon is Cannon weather you like it or not. If it didn't happen in the Manga then it doesn't exist in the Cannon Universe what so ever.

I want Coola to fit in the main timeline and say he's a cannon character, but I don't say he was because I want him to.
Th problem is that Cooler movies CANT FIT IN THE TIMELINE, they have a lot of inconsistencies, events that couldnt happen going by the normal flow of the story. Broly movies (i dont consider Movie 11 being one) can fit fine into the timeline, they could have happened despite some timing flaw.
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May 5 2011, 09:03 PM
Saberoph
May 5 2011, 08:52 PM
Cannon is Cannon weather you like it or not. If it didn't happen in the Manga then it doesn't exist in the Cannon Universe what so ever.

I want Coola to fit in the main timeline and say he's a cannon character, but I don't say he was because I want him to.
Th problem is that Cooler movies CANT FIT IN THE TIMELINE, they have a lot of inconsistencies, events that couldnt happen going by the normal flow of the story. Broly movies (i dont consider Movie 11 being one) can fit fine into the timeline, they could have happened despite some timing flaw.
so, cooler as some timing flaws and vague statements, so it can't fit, but broly has timing flaws, wacky powerscaling, among other things, and it can fit? also, movie 11 doesn't fit at all. it takes place 1 day after the budokai, but features goten and trunks, who were at the lookout at that time.
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the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

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everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

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May 5 2011, 09:03 PM
Saberoph
May 5 2011, 08:52 PM
Cannon is Cannon weather you like it or not. If it didn't happen in the Manga then it doesn't exist in the Cannon Universe what so ever.

I want Coola to fit in the main timeline and say he's a cannon character, but I don't say he was because I want him to.
Th problem is that Cooler movies CANT FIT IN THE TIMELINE, they have a lot of inconsistencies, events that couldnt happen going by the normal flow of the story. Broly movies (i dont consider Movie 11 being one) can fit fine into the timeline, they could have happened despite some timing flaw.
Broli doesn't fit in the main timeline either.

I can argue Garlic Jr. is more cannon than Broli, he at least got his own arc.

The point is, just because I WANT someone to fit in the main timeline DOESN'T mean it FITS. You wanting it to fit in the main timeline doesn't mean it does.

Cannon Facts>What Fans Want To Be True. End of story.
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May 5 2011, 09:15 PM
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May 5 2011, 09:03 PM
Saberoph
May 5 2011, 08:52 PM
Cannon is Cannon weather you like it or not. If it didn't happen in the Manga then it doesn't exist in the Cannon Universe what so ever.

I want Coola to fit in the main timeline and say he's a cannon character, but I don't say he was because I want him to.
Th problem is that Cooler movies CANT FIT IN THE TIMELINE, they have a lot of inconsistencies, events that couldnt happen going by the normal flow of the story. Broly movies (i dont consider Movie 11 being one) can fit fine into the timeline, they could have happened despite some timing flaw.
so, cooler as some timing flaws and vague statements, so it can't fit, but broly has timing flaws, wacky powerscaling, among other things, and it can fit? also, movie 11 doesn't fit at all. it takes place 1 day after the budokai, but features goten and trunks, who were at the lookout at that time.
If i state point by point the flaws concerning timeline of Movies 5 and 6 i it will take me a lot of time.

The only flaws i see about Movies 8 and 10 are very debatable and the timing is almost perfect.
Movie 8:
- Goku and Gohan are not in SSJ. Response: They arent in the SSJ state because Goku is in a school interview for Gohan, and Chi Chi dislikes the SSJ so its plausible that she asked Goku to take it off.
- The Saiyans are all buffed up > this is post HTC. Maybe this happens one or two days before the Cell Games between filler episodes.

Movie 10:

- Videl know about the Dragon Balls, maybe, i have to rewatch the Boo Saga to see if she really doesnt know.

I dont consider Movie 11 to be a Broly movie like 8 and 10, since this Broly is a clone, not the original one. And also theres no way this movie fits in the regular timeline, the timing is all wrong.
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And you are proving my point more and more, you say they are Cannon because you want them to fit in the main timeline. I wasn't trying to fit the movies in the main timeline, I was saying just because I want something to fit in the main timeline doesn't mean it does just because I want it to.

Like I said before, weather you like it or not Broli is as cannon as the other Movies and Movie characters. Movie 8 and 10 do not fit in the main timeline plain and simple, if Broli fit them he would have been mentioned in the Anime, but he isn't. I don't know why you keep at trying to make it cannon when it isn't.

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but you can't use the flaws of movie 6 to against movie 5. movie 6 is a what if from movie 5, about "what if" cooler survived being blasted into the sun. i know movie 6 doesn't fit, but movie 5 fits better than movie 8 or 10.
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It could fit, but it dosen't.
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None of it actually fits in the main timeline. The timing of the events may fit in the timeline, but by cannon standards they don't and wont fit either.
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I started this topic to discuss the two Gohan's. I wanted to address how movie Gohan appears to have never stopped training, unlike his canon counterpart. He parries Broly's blows and tanks a kick from the SSJ Broly, while all still in base. Also in his base form he also outraces a devastating ki blast and manages to construct a barrier to protect himself with little to no damage, but Goten, Trunks and Videl are all blown 2 steps from death's door.

This is some seriously cool $hit in contrast to the nerdy, inept Gohan we see in the Great Saiyaman saga and his battle sense is far superior to the Gohan who struggled to keep up with Dabura.
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