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Base Gotenks [pre-RoSaT]; Reconsidering?
Topic Started: May 3 2011, 06:23 AM (668 Views)
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Most people on here believe Base Gotenks [pre-RoSaT] to be stronger than SSj2 Majin Vegeta based on Krillin's quote. But some words from another forum have made me rethink this position. Let's take a look at Krillin's quote.

Chapter: 480 (DBZ 286), P12.5
Context: After Gotenks takes off, saying he'll beat Boo
Kuririn: “He-he’s pretty haughty, but just maybe he re-really will be able to take care of [Boo]…”

Now, Krillin knows SSj2 Majin Vegeta stood absolutely no chance against Boo. He knows that not even SSj3 Goku beat Boo. Piccolo and Goku's conversation hints that Piccolo thinks Goku wasn't really going all-out, but Krillin doesn't know this. So for Krillin to think Base Gotenks has a chance, wouldn't he need to be at least stronger than SSj3 Goku, and not SSj2 Majin Vegeta?
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Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr.

Well, could it be that Krillin did the same mistake as Piccolo, who thought Majin SSJ 2 Vegeta is on par with Kid SSJ 2 Gohan, meanwhile we know he is surpass him. Maybe, Krillin just is overwhelmed by Gotenks that he has so much power just in normal base that he actually thinks he could beat him.

Otherwise, it could be very well, possible if we trust Krillin's statement that Gotenks is surpass SSJ 3 Goku.

But then again, Gotenks got badly owned, so that is doubt able.
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It could be ki wise that through Krillin off. If we conclude that fusion adds magic ki to the fighters normal ki than Krillin might have been reading Gotenks' energy/ki levels vs his actually power level.

From what we see in the anime and the manga is that Buu was unable to hurt Goku SSJ3 with th blows he landed, but Gotenks was beaten mercilessly. The anime version shows that he got completely overwhelmed once Buu's momentum started, and didnt put up much resistance to being pummeled.
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Well, all I'm saying is that Krillin's comment doesn't make sense unless he was comparing Gotenks to SSj3 Goku, not SSj2 Majin Vegeta, because he knows Vegeta didn't stand a chance but Goku wasn't beaten, he just didn't win.

So I guess either Gotenks is even stronger than we thought before, or it really is just a setup for a gag.
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Goku was playing with buu while vegeta got owned at full power. Krillin didn't know that goku was playing and that he could of won if he wanted to. Gotenks also got owned too. I think he might be so surprised that he is so strong in only in base form and that his ssj form maybe be more poweful than goku.
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at that point, they didn't know that gotenks could transform after fusing. also, we have to call in perspective on this, just like when using piccolo's quotes to place majin vegeta. krillin's perspective is even more skewed than piccolo's, so that he might not be able to tell the difference between gotenks and ssj3 goku, while piccolo can. if that's the case, then krillin might have assumed that goku's energy loss from ssj3 is what kept him from beating buu, so if gotenks is just as strong (from krillin's perspective) then he might be able to win. all this means is that gotenks wouid need to be closer to ssj3 goku than to ssj2 majin vegeta, and significantly far from either.
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