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calculating Broly's Zenkai; A analysis
Topic Started: May 3 2011, 12:21 AM (4,573 Views)
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Hell if I know, even after how I felt about SS4 in GT, I still call it SS4 and Broli the LSS.
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Totally agreed. I really don't know what's the freaking fuss.
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it's just like how everyone insists on saying king cold was second form, when he more closely resembles final form. or insisting gohan was ssj2 vs. dabura, when he's clearly mssj. but, it doesn't matter, because some people will see what they want, no matter what actually happened.
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There is no freaking fuss over the form, you guys calling broly the REAL LSS when it was clear goku in the series is the LSS. broly was made up for a movie, broly doesnt exist in the main timeline, if you want to stcik to broly being the LSS be my guest but hes not the only one. The only difference was that he was born with the ability to transform how is it no one recognises that? His LSS is only stronger than gokus as goku isnt a natural LSS, so why is it you guys can roll with broly when it was clear in the manga AND the anime that GOKU was the LSS? Legendary super saiyan isnt a form its a way of being. Obviously its hard to know what the supposed difference is between USSj and "LSSJ" broly only discovered is USSj form, his power is what makes him HOW he is not WHAT he is. His form is USSj and denying that makes no sense. ive seen your explanations nusus, they are accurate perceptions but only by those who believe that brolys form is unique when its obvious its not. What evidence points out this is post rosat? that piccolos gone? that hardly matters, in the anime piccolo didnt undoubtedly go into the rosat, gohans hair is an approximation? what about the evidence that points to this all happening at the same time? we all know what went down during the actual ten days of wait, squeezing a movie in here and lowering everyones power level makes no sense, unless you go by movie logic. Brolys power is the one thats haxed, in his current LSSJG3 form he has access to power no one else has but his transformation is hardly anything special, and he looks stunted in between OOZAru and USSj. Besides, he really wasnt that much stronger than goku and his size was his advantage, the surprising agility that came with that size. Broly wasnt even naturally big, like i said before, itas an energy suit he has on. Broly is skinny as hell in his other forms, even in movie ten when he was fpssj instead of rssj before he went LSSj. See how that works? broly doesnt automatically go on a pedestal and skip forms, he went from ssj, to ussj just like everyone else. Him being an LSS doesnt mean anything except for a what if movie that didnt happen. everyone says, broly is an LSS he has special characteristics, so what? goku is the OFFICIAL LSS in the manga and the anime and yet you guys jump right on this concept (that actually isnt a bad idea if the story hadnt already been established) that denies EVERYTHING WE ALREADY KNOW OR HAVE BEEN TOLD IN THE SERIES..why? or isnt that why vegeta flipped his lid, then he discovered he could do it too, not so special anymore, so where is it confused? saiyans dont just turn super saiyan they need the power as well, they said bardock got pretty strng before his fight with frieza, and yet despite all his righteous anger, bardock only had a pl of ten thousand, no amount of freaking out is gonna release the LSSj form, let alone him believing in it. None of them were alive when the original LSS oozaru destroyed the original saiyan world. So why is it the previous LSS was a full on OZZARU and yet in your guys eyes broly cant, then how is broly the strongest ever? could he have killed the original LSS? cause to me that exactly what he looks like, stuck in between transformations. We all know how the power of an OOZARU goes up about 10 to 20 times a persons power level when they transform. Broly has access to that power without making the full transformation thats why in his still somewhat humanoid state he can channel all of that power, its OOZARU power plus he has his tail. If vegeta had the ability to only halfway transform into that then he wouldve killed goku with out going full monkey. Thats all im saying, the tail does matter, and if all of the saiayns had their tail and brolys power wasnt haxed because of it? it would have been a fair fight. You cant honestly call only broly an LSS when they all are. hes jsut strnger naturally and physically, and it still wasnt enough to really beat goku down. Like i stated previous, wayyyyy bigger gap between him and frieza.
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Manga and GT wise Goku is the LSS, but Movie wise Broli is. So both of them are the LSS, I don't see the problem in saying both of them are the LSS.
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May 3 2011, 01:35 PM
There is no freaking fuss over the form, you guys calling broly the REAL LSS when it was clear goku in the series is the LSS. broly was made up for a movie, broly doesnt exist in the main timeline, if you want to stcik to broly being the LSS be my guest but hes not the only one. The only difference was that he was born with the ability to transform how is it no one recognises that? His LSS is only stronger than gokus as goku isnt a natural LSS, so why is it you guys can roll with broly when it was clear in the manga AND the anime that GOKU was the LSS? Legendary super saiyan isnt a form its a way of being. Obviously its hard to know what the supposed difference is between USSj and "LSSJ" broly only discovered is USSj form, his power is what makes him HOW he is not WHAT he is. His form is USSj and denying that makes no sense. ive seen your explanations nusus, they are accurate perceptions but only by those who believe that brolys form is unique when its obvious its not. What evidence points out this is post rosat? that piccolos gone? that hardly matters, in the anime piccolo didnt undoubtedly go into the rosat, gohans hair is an approximation? what about the evidence that points to this all happening at the same time? we all know what went down during the actual ten days of wait, squeezing a movie in here and lowering everyones power level makes no sense, unless you go by movie logic. Brolys power is the one thats haxed, in his current LSSJG3 form he has access to power no one else has but his transformation is hardly anything special, and he looks stunted in between OOZAru and USSj. Besides, he really wasnt that much stronger than goku and his size was his advantage, the surprising agility that came with that size. Broly wasnt even naturally big, like i said before, itas an energy suit he has on. Broly is skinny as hell in his other forms, even in movie ten when he was fpssj instead of rssj before he went LSSj. See how that works? broly doesnt automatically go on a pedestal and skip forms, he went from ssj, to ussj just like everyone else. Him being an LSS doesnt mean anything except for a what if movie that didnt happen. everyone says, broly is an LSS he has special characteristics, so what? goku is the OFFICIAL LSS in the manga and the anime and yet you guys jump right on this concept (that actually isnt a bad idea if the story hadnt already been established) that denies EVERYTHING WE ALREADY KNOW OR HAVE BEEN TOLD IN THE SERIES..why? or isnt that why vegeta flipped his lid, then he discovered he could do it too, not so special anymore, so where is it confused? saiyans dont just turn super saiyan they need the power as well, they said bardock got pretty strng before his fight with frieza, and yet despite all his righteous anger, bardock only had a pl of ten thousand, no amount of freaking out is gonna release the LSSj form, let alone him believing in it. None of them were alive when the original LSS oozaru destroyed the original saiyan world. So why is it the previous LSS was a full on OZZARU and yet in your guys eyes broly cant, then how is broly the strongest ever? could he have killed the original LSS? cause to me that exactly what he looks like, stuck in between transformations. We all know how the power of an OOZARU goes up about 10 to 20 times a persons power level when they transform. Broly has access to that power without making the full transformation thats why in his still somewhat humanoid state he can channel all of that power, its OOZARU power plus he has his tail. If vegeta had the ability to only halfway transform into that then he wouldve killed goku with out going full monkey. Thats all im saying, the tail does matter, and if all of the saiayns had their tail and brolys power wasnt haxed because of it? it would have been a fair fight. You cant honestly call only broly an LSS when they all are. hes jsut strnger naturally and physically, and it still wasnt enough to really beat goku down. Like i stated previous, wayyyyy bigger gap between him and frieza.
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There is no freaking fuss over the form, you guys calling broly the REAL LSS when it was clear goku in the series is the LSS.


Because he is, non cannon wise, Toei called him the LSSJ that's why he is the LSSJ. No debate needed, if you don't wanna exceptt that out of some hating reason, then fine, call it whatever the hell you want.

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broly doesnt exist in the main timeline


That's the reason, we say CANNON and NON CANNON.

Cannon LSSJ: Goku. (Reason: Goku reached it first, overall, everyone is the Legendary Warrior who reached the SSJ.)

Non Cannon LSSJ: Broly. (Reason: Toei said so, and the form can ONLY be reached by Broly.)

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if you want to stcik to broly being the LSS be my guest but hes not the only one.


If you use both cannon and non cannon, Broly is still the Legendary Super-Saiyan. The Super Saiyan is originally the Legendary Form, everyone reached that form, so by logic, Vegeta is a LSSJ and on and on and on. But only Broly has one form that is officially stated by Toei to be LSSJ, you go by cannon in a non cannon topic.

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The only difference was that he was born with the ability to transform how is it no one recognises that?


Maybe you didn't get it, but, in Toei's view the SSJ is not the LSSJ, Broly's form that only he can reach is the LSSJ.

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Obviously its hard to know what the supposed difference is between USSj and "LSSJ" broly only discovered is USSj form, his power is what makes him HOW he is not WHAT he is.


I told you the differences.

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His form is USSj and denying that makes no sense.


That makes no sense.

1) Toei are aware of the USSJ.

2) The LSSJ looks way different then the USSJ.

USSJ: Saiyan gets extremely buffed up, due to that, the user's speed isn't balanced, and so the user is extremely slow.

LSSJ: Saiyan gain in height and muscle mass, speed and strength increases, losing of the pupils and recovering chi.

Face it. The LSSJ looks different, the LSSJ is better. USSJ is *****, and just a extremely buffed up guy.

Not to mention, the transformation of the LSSJ IS WAY WAY different then any other SSJ transformation.

Broly's skin literally gets blown off.

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ive seen your explanations nusus, they are accurate perceptions but only by those who believe that brolys form is unique when its obvious its not.


The reason why its unique is because only Broly can reach it, plus, the form gives the user recovering chi.

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What evidence points out this is post rosat? that piccolos gone? that hardly matters, in the anime piccolo didnt undoubtedly go into the rosat, gohans hair is an approximation? what about the evidence that points to this all happening at the same time? we all know what went down during the actual ten days of wait, squeezing a movie in here and lowering everyones power level makes no sense, unless you go by movie logic.


1) Piccolo could've been in the RoSaT.

2) Gohan has the SSJ, plus different hair.

3) Please, tell me why Goku should stop Gohan's and his training?

4) The Movie differs from the events of the Cell Saga.

Cell is gone.

There is a reason to power down too, because Cell is most likely dead.

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Goku looks natural, similar to this.

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5) The movie was released at the same time, when Mr. Satan entered the Cell Games. It would fit.

6) Nothing indicates that the power level's were lowered.

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Brolys power is the one thats haxed, in his current LSSJG3 form he has access to power no one else has but his transformation is hardly anything special


LSSJG3? Dude just stop it.

Haxed? Just because he whooped the Z-Fighters? The same Z-Fighters Cell fought? I bet 100 bucks that Cell would easily to the same at Full Power.

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and he looks stunted in between OOZAru and USSj.


Yeah, because he has fur and a tail right?

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Besides, he really wasnt that much stronger than goku and his size was his advantage,


Cell is bigger then Gohan and got owned, similar how Broly owned Goku and his friends. The gap was big, equal to Perfect Cell's Full Power and the Z-Fighters.

Broly wasnt even naturally big, like i said before, itas an energy suit he has on. Broly is skinny as hell in his other forms, even in movie ten when he was fpssj instead of rssj before he went LSSj.

Broly is big, and his height increased when he transformed into the LSSJ. Broly is bigger then Goku in base as far as I know.

The rest is just repeating everything over and over.

Broly is non cannon wise THE TRUE LSSJ, get over it.
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May 3 2011, 01:35 PM
There is no freaking fuss over the form, you guys calling broly the REAL LSS when it was clear goku in the series is the LSS. broly was made up for a movie, broly doesnt exist in the main timeline, if you want to stcik to broly being the LSS be my guest but hes not the only one. The only difference was that he was born with the ability to transform how is it no one recognises that? His LSS is only stronger than gokus as goku isnt a natural LSS, so why is it you guys can roll with broly when it was clear in the manga AND the anime that GOKU was the LSS? Legendary super saiyan isnt a form its a way of being. Obviously its hard to know what the supposed difference is between USSj and "LSSJ" broly only discovered is USSj form, his power is what makes him HOW he is not WHAT he is. His form is USSj and denying that makes no sense. ive seen your explanations nusus, they are accurate perceptions but only by those who believe that brolys form is unique when its obvious its not. What evidence points out this is post rosat? that piccolos gone? that hardly matters, in the anime piccolo didnt undoubtedly go into the rosat, gohans hair is an approximation? what about the evidence that points to this all happening at the same time? we all know what went down during the actual ten days of wait, squeezing a movie in here and lowering everyones power level makes no sense, unless you go by movie logic. Brolys power is the one thats haxed, in his current LSSJG3 form he has access to power no one else has but his transformation is hardly anything special, and he looks stunted in between OOZAru and USSj. Besides, he really wasnt that much stronger than goku and his size was his advantage, the surprising agility that came with that size. Broly wasnt even naturally big, like i said before, itas an energy suit he has on. Broly is skinny as hell in his other forms, even in movie ten when he was fpssj instead of rssj before he went LSSj. See how that works? broly doesnt automatically go on a pedestal and skip forms, he went from ssj, to ussj just like everyone else. Him being an LSS doesnt mean anything except for a what if movie that didnt happen. everyone says, broly is an LSS he has special characteristics, so what? goku is the OFFICIAL LSS in the manga and the anime and yet you guys jump right on this concept (that actually isnt a bad idea if the story hadnt already been established) that denies EVERYTHING WE ALREADY KNOW OR HAVE BEEN TOLD IN THE SERIES..why? or isnt that why vegeta flipped his lid, then he discovered he could do it too, not so special anymore, so where is it confused? saiyans dont just turn super saiyan they need the power as well, they said bardock got pretty strng before his fight with frieza, and yet despite all his righteous anger, bardock only had a pl of ten thousand, no amount of freaking out is gonna release the LSSj form, let alone him believing in it. None of them were alive when the original LSS oozaru destroyed the original saiyan world. So why is it the previous LSS was a full on OZZARU and yet in your guys eyes broly cant, then how is broly the strongest ever? could he have killed the original LSS? cause to me that exactly what he looks like, stuck in between transformations. We all know how the power of an OOZARU goes up about 10 to 20 times a persons power level when they transform. Broly has access to that power without making the full transformation thats why in his still somewhat humanoid state he can channel all of that power, its OOZARU power plus he has his tail. If vegeta had the ability to only halfway transform into that then he wouldve killed goku with out going full monkey. Thats all im saying, the tail does matter, and if all of the saiayns had their tail and brolys power wasnt haxed because of it? it would have been a fair fight. You cant honestly call only broly an LSS when they all are. hes jsut strnger naturally and physically, and it still wasnt enough to really beat goku down. Like i stated previous, wayyyyy bigger gap between him and frieza.
I'm saying the form itself is called Legendary Super Saiyan. That's what it is -- nothing else. Not Super Saiyan Grade 4, not Ultra Super Saiyan, not Legendary Super Saiyan Grade 3, and it's not a way of life; just Legendary Super Saiyan, the form. If you want to dispute the naming of the form, complain to Toei (and Toriyama, since he designed Broly). That's the official name. Just because canonically he isn't the Saiyan of legend doesn't mean his form is called something else suddenly. Denying his official form name is what makes no sense, not explaining the differences between it and Super Saiyan Grade 3. They're different forms and the only similarity is they both pump the user full of muscle.
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canon manga: the "saiyan of legend" is goku. he was the first to reach ssj, and the only unfused saiyan to reach ssj3. plus, he's the main character.

non canon: in both gt and the movies, broly is the saiyan of legend. the one saiyan born every 1,000 years who can reach the lssj form. lssj is an official ssj form, and not a grade form. if you don't like it, AT designed broly, and toei made the movies and gt, so go complain to AT and tell HIM he was wrong, and lssj is just ssjg3.
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Yea, I don't think it can be put any better than it's been said here, a few extra things have been said here and there, but about the past 4 or 5 posts, we've all pretty much said the same thing.
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Can we just please stay on topic?
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Can we just please stay on topic?
Okay, so why exactly are you saying Broly should get a 10x zenkai? Put it in simplest terms, please, because I'm a bit confused on why he needs such an enormous one.
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May 3 2011, 11:50 PM
Can we just please stay on topic?
Okay, so why exactly are you saying Broly should get a 10x zenkai? Put it in simplest terms, please, because I'm a bit confused on why he needs such an enormous one.
I changed my thoughts a logn time ago. It's plain obvious by the help of you and others, it wasn't exactly a 10x boost. It's a Zenkai that's atleast a 5x boost because each and every Zenkai we saw makes people 5x stronger to 16.7x stronger so...O_O

But, to put it to simpler terms:

World Tournament + Movie 10 + Cell Games Saga + Babidi saga

World Tournament + Babidi Saga
MSSJ Goku: 26
SS2 Goku: 52
SS Vegeta: 23
SS2 Vegeta: 46
Majin SS2 Vegeta: 52
Fat Buu: 200
SS3 Goku: 208
SS Gohan: 19
SS2 Gohan: 38
Dabura: 18

Movie 10:
LSSJ Broly: 50
SS2 Gohan: 36
SS1 Gohan: 18
SS Goku: 23
Ssj Goten; 8
Ssj Trunks: 8.25
SSJ Broly: 20
Base Gohan: 0.36

Cell Games (non zenkai, just a normal x2 boost for Cell)
SS2 Gohan: 45
SPC Cell: 43.5
Injured Gohan SS2: 39
MSSJ Goku: 20
Perfect Cell 100%: 22.5

So.. My final conclusion will be:


SS2 Goku = MSS2 Vegeta > LSSJ Broly > SS2 Vegeta > SS2 Kid Gohan > SPC > SS2 Gohan WT > Injured SS2 Kid Gohan > SS 2 Gohan Movie 10 > MSS Goku WT > SS Vegeta WT + Babidi Saga > 100% Perfect Cell > MSSJ Goku Cell Games > Dabura > SSJ Broly Movie 10 > SSJ Gohan Babidi Saga > SSJ Gohan Movie 10

I think that seems right
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May 4 2011, 01:02 AM
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May 3 2011, 11:50 PM
Can we just please stay on topic?
Okay, so why exactly are you saying Broly should get a 10x zenkai? Put it in simplest terms, please, because I'm a bit confused on why he needs such an enormous one.
I changed my thoughts a logn time ago. It's plain obvious by the help of you and others, it wasn't exactly a 10x boost. It's a Zenkai that's atleast a 5x boost because each and every Zenkai we saw makes people 5x stronger to 16.7x stronger so...O_O

But, to put it to simpler terms:

World Tournament + Movie 10 + Cell Games Saga + Babidi saga

World Tournament + Babidi Saga
MSSJ Goku: 26
SS2 Goku: 52
SS Vegeta: 23
SS2 Vegeta: 46
Majin SS2 Vegeta: 52
Fat Buu: 200
SS3 Goku: 208
SS Gohan: 19
SS2 Gohan: 38
Dabura: 18

Movie 10:
LSSJ Broly: 50
SS2 Gohan: 36
SS1 Gohan: 18
SS Goku: 23
Ssj Goten; 8
Ssj Trunks: 8.25
SSJ Broly: 20
Base Gohan: 0.36

Cell Games (non zenkai, just a normal x2 boost for Cell)
SS2 Gohan: 45
SPC Cell: 43.5
Injured Gohan SS2: 39
MSSJ Goku: 20
Perfect Cell 100%: 22.5

So.. My final conclusion will be:


SS2 Goku = MSS2 Vegeta > LSSJ Broly > SS2 Vegeta > SS2 Kid Gohan > SPC > SS2 Gohan WT > Injured SS2 Kid Gohan > SS 2 Gohan Movie 10 > MSS Goku WT > SS Vegeta WT + Babidi Saga > 100% Perfect Cell > MSSJ Goku Cell Games > Dabura > SSJ Broly Movie 10 > SSJ Gohan Babidi Saga > SSJ Gohan Movie 10

I think that seems right
That seems like about a 2x boost there, though; not a 5x boost. Movie 8 Broly would only be a little more powerful than Perfect Cell at the maximum, so going from perhaps 23 to 50 would only be a 2.1x increase.
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Sircum
May 4 2011, 01:02 AM
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May 4 2011, 12:09 AM
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May 3 2011, 11:50 PM
Can we just please stay on topic?
Okay, so why exactly are you saying Broly should get a 10x zenkai? Put it in simplest terms, please, because I'm a bit confused on why he needs such an enormous one.
I changed my thoughts a logn time ago. It's plain obvious by the help of you and others, it wasn't exactly a 10x boost. It's a Zenkai that's atleast a 5x boost because each and every Zenkai we saw makes people 5x stronger to 16.7x stronger so...O_O

But, to put it to simpler terms:

World Tournament + Movie 10 + Cell Games Saga + Babidi saga

World Tournament + Babidi Saga
MSSJ Goku: 26
SS2 Goku: 52
SS Vegeta: 23
SS2 Vegeta: 46
Majin SS2 Vegeta: 52
Fat Buu: 200
SS3 Goku: 208
SS Gohan: 19
SS2 Gohan: 38
Dabura: 18

Movie 10:
LSSJ Broly: 50
SS2 Gohan: 36
SS1 Gohan: 18
SS Goku: 23
Ssj Goten; 8
Ssj Trunks: 8.25
SSJ Broly: 20
Base Gohan: 0.36

Cell Games (non zenkai, just a normal x2 boost for Cell)
SS2 Gohan: 45
SPC Cell: 43.5
Injured Gohan SS2: 39
MSSJ Goku: 20
Perfect Cell 100%: 22.5

So.. My final conclusion will be:


SS2 Goku = MSS2 Vegeta > LSSJ Broly > SS2 Vegeta > SS2 Kid Gohan > SPC > SS2 Gohan WT > Injured SS2 Kid Gohan > SS 2 Gohan Movie 10 > MSS Goku WT > SS Vegeta WT + Babidi Saga > 100% Perfect Cell > MSSJ Goku Cell Games > Dabura > SSJ Broly Movie 10 > SSJ Gohan Babidi Saga > SSJ Gohan Movie 10

I think that seems right
That seems like about a 2x boost there, though; not a 5x boost. Movie 8 Broly would only be a little more powerful than Perfect Cell at the maximum, so going from perhaps 23 to 50 would only be a 2.1x increase.
Well, I knew that. Sense Broly has a unique form, I sorta tweaked it.
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actually, only 1 zenkai was 5x. the largest was 33x, the smallest was 25% increase. broly only needs a 50% increase to be significantly above ssj2 teen gohan's weakest point by my numbers.

mssj teen gohan (weakest point) 90
mssj goku (cell games) 100
mssj teen gohan (budokai level) 110
mssj kid gohan 130
mssj goku (buu arc) 200
lssj broly (movie 8) 300
ssj2 teen gohan (weakest point) 360
ssj2 teen gohan (budokai) 440
lssj broly (movie 10) 450
ssj2 kid gohan 520
ssj2 goku 800

as you can see, broly would only need a 50% zenkai to be a full 25% higher tan ssj2 teen gohan's weakest point. so, if we assume movie 10 happened early in the month before the tournament, than broly only had a 50% zenkai.
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

for those that blindly follow word of god
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