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Who was stronger, Androids 19 & 20 or Frieza?
Topic Started: Apr 30 2011, 08:16 PM (6,089 Views)
RasDragon
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Just asking.
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19 & 20
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Kinda of simple really. Both of them are far superior to Freiza. Though I'm not sure if they are stronger then Yardrat SSJ Goku or initial SSJ Trunks
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I asked because they weren't the androids Trunks was talking about and they were both handled easily by SSJs and Piccolo.
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Frieza was stronger than 19 and 20 IMO. Seeing how Piccolo was able to easily out do 20. Both Goku and Vegeta were stronger than Piccolo, before Goku's battle with Frieza started. The difference in their powers would most likely remain that way into the Android Saga. I can't see Piccolo increasing his power level more the 50 times what it was in the Frieza saga in a three year period.

Goku and Vegeta could have beaten 19 and 20 in base. Barring they knew about the energy absorption prior to fighting them like Piccolo. But Goku was ill and rushed the fight hoping to end it quickly, but not having the same strength he would've had if he were healthy, and Vegeta just wanted to test his SSJ strength against "diaobolical androids" who killed him in Trunks' future.

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The Z fighters had 2 years of training. By then Frieza had been long surpassed. It's not a shock that he could take on 20.
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May 1 2011, 01:00 AM
Frieza was stronger than 19 and 20 IMO. Seeing how Piccolo was able to easily out do 20. Both Goku and Vegeta were stronger than Piccolo, before Goku's battle with Frieza started. The difference in their powers would most likely remain that way into the Android Saga. I can't see Piccolo increasing his power level more the 50 times what it was in the Frieza saga in a three year period.

Goku and Vegeta could have beaten 19 and 20 in base. Barring they knew about the energy absorption prior to fighting them like Piccolo. But Goku was ill and rushed the fight hoping to end it quickly, but not having the same strength he would've had if he were healthy, and Vegeta just wanted to test his SSJ strength against "diaobolical androids" who killed him in Trunks' future.

Piccolo was confident in taking on somebody who made Trunks look weak, though.

I highly doubt Base Goku and Vegeta could've beaten the androids. That's crazy, unless you think Super Saiyan is like a .002% increase or something by then. There's no way any Base Saiyan at that point could take hits from an all-out SSj Goku. No.19 wasn't going to last much longer after a while, but he was still lasting, which is more than I can say for anybody else.
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May 1 2011, 01:04 AM
The Z fighters had 2 years of training. By then Frieza had been long surpassed. It's not a shock that he could take on 20.
what do you mean 2 years? they had 3 years.

@piccolo being weaker than frieza: if we go by the 7x yearly increase that everyone had while preparing for the saiyans:

piccolo on namek: 1.5 million

piccolo at trunks arrival: 1,500,000x7 = 10,500,000

piccolo post 3 years training: 10,500,000x7x7x7= 3,601,500,000

so, yeah, even if you cut piccolo's total progression down to 1/10th of what it was before, he would still be 3x as strong as frieza at the end of the 3 years.
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Hm, personally, I don't have Piccolo stronger than Vegeta when Trunks arrives, who I have only equal or perhaps slightly stronger than Base Goku on Namek.
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He trained for three years and he doesn't surpass Vegeta at that point to you? Can you elaborate more on this?
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Sasuke
May 1 2011, 02:01 AM
He trained for three years and he doesn't surpass Vegeta at that point to you? Can you elaborate more on this?
I said when Trunks arrives, not when the android saga rolls around.
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That's a big "IF" Lunar. Given that Piccolo's PL was from 1 million-1.5 million when he fought Frieza. Frieza's max is 120 million. So when he fought Piccolo he was using only 1% of his full power initially. It's pretty farfetched when you think about Piccolo's power level jumping from 1.5 to over 120 million in a four year period. Not even the Saiyans grow that fast. Also think about Goku's PL when he showed up to fight Frieza. It was 3 million. Piccolo had half the strength Goku did in the Frieza arc. That difference in their power levels probably remain unchanged or widened from the Frieza to the android saga; since saiyans grow alot faster than other races. That doesn't included the 50x multiplier for the SSJ's.

Remember Gero built his androids with no knowledge of the SSJ form (16-18 just ended up that way with their infinite energy cores). Without question 19 and 20 are the weakest models. I put them between 2-10 million. Around Frieza's 2nd form and presumably his 3rd form. Vegeta testified to Trunks neither of them were a challenge to him, and he found the fight boring. Also recall Vegeta's remarks before he transformed in to SSJ. He found the only thing to be concerned about with them were their energy absorbing techniques. Vegeta was going for shock and aw in an attempt to instill fear in the androids and intimidate them to his SSJ strength. Piccolo was able to dominate 20, despite having a base power level weaker than both Goku and Vegeta.

Frieza stomps both 19 and 20 into the ground
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May 1 2011, 02:12 AM
Sasuke
May 1 2011, 02:01 AM
He trained for three years and he doesn't surpass Vegeta at that point to you? Can you elaborate more on this?
I said when Trunks arrives, not when the android saga rolls around.
I thought they were equal? Piccolo was last seen at 2nd transformation Frieza was he not? Vegeta did train in ship before Goku returned though I never really counted that as training.
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It's one year from the end of the frieza saga and Trunks' arrival from the future. Being a saiyan prince and desiring the power of the SSJ, it's 99.9% likely Vegeta was training that entire year. Piccolo was probably training that year before Trunks' showed up as well.
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