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why do people say vegeta cheated to become ss4?
Topic Started: Apr 30 2011, 03:07 AM (5,760 Views)
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If youve ever taken notice when watching the entire series, it's never been about whos trained the hardest. xD
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If it were that then Tein would be by far the strongest character around. All he ever does is train with Chioatzu.
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Tienshinhan and Chaozu would be shreddin up, actually no Pikkon would beat all :P
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Apr 30 2011, 06:04 AM
it was stated in the buu arc, during the fight between goku and majin vegeta, that vegeta underwent more special training than goku, but goku's greater talent kept him one step ahead. and that the gap between them would never change. there, stated in the manga: vegeta works harder than goku, just to keep pace with him.

also, only vegeta ever controlled his oozaru form. that wasn't a matter of practice, that was a natural ability. no other saiyan even remembers what happens when they are oozaru (except bardock).
so you are saying that only bardock and prince vegeta could "naturally" control their form? why? how is that possible? if its an intelligence thing then i could understand, but bardock was as dumb as a box of rocks for pets. Vegeta had major training, i find it hard to believe king vegeta couldnt do it either, maybe thats what it means to be an "ELITE" instead of a grunt. If NO saiyan could control their transformation then there is no way in terms of war those animals could be trusted to do what they need to do. Point missles and shoot sounds good, but then afterwards? Oozarus would die left and right from killing each other, all the oozarus in the hatchyack ova were working together, not stomping stupidly.
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but, going by the bardock special, only bardock even remembers what happens as oozaru. even he can't control it. and who said bardock was dumb?

vegeta was the only saiyan ever shown to be able to conrol his oozaru form, all other shown oozaru are berserk, therefore vegeta is the only saiyan able to control his oozaru form. it's that simple. and since this is a gt topic, he specifically mentions that as the prince of saiyans, he wouldn't let the form control him. so maybe it is because he's royal. but either way, he's the only one to do it.
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it was indicated in the hatchyack movie that king vegeta was leading the attack on the tuffle world, maybe the saiyan monarchy is like being klingon who knows? I say bardock is dumb, he was plenty dumb, he was a low level grunt who lived the life of a dumb pirate, the bardock movie suggests that most of the saiyans lived a pretty simple life, and fought like klingons. kill hard, conquer whats left and party hardy, the other saiyans were dumber than him working for frieza like they had nothing else to do. bardock didnt find out till it was too late, and perpetuated the death of everybody that was on planet vegeta. Pretty dumb.

Thats the one thing i never liked about the storyline though. EVERY SINGLE SAIYAN IN EXISTENCE WAS ON VEGETA THAT DAY?!!! hard to believe considering they are a race of spacefaring super pirates. thus the stories of vegeta,nappa, turlis,broly,paragus and tarble. its just too unvbelievable. Kal-el comparisons anyone?
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Apr 30 2011, 06:12 AM
And your argument to why he cheated and how it was cheating in comparison to the rest?
What rest? He used the wave to achieve his goal, while Goku went through the only way to get the tail back, and that is getting something shoved up his arse and getting the thing out. It was painful.

Vegeta just cheated in a way, "I don't shove things up my arse to get my goal, I just use the waves."

Using the waves was cheating, the SSJ 2 was also not achieved by Vegeta with some sort of device but with hard training. Vegeta chose the easy way, the cheating way because supposedly the waves can also bring him to SSJ 5, another way to achieve a form with cheating instead with hard work.
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goku cheated with the tongs. he was supposed to grind coffee for a few years, and the muscle movements in his back would work the tail out. he cheated because after nearly a year, he gave up and had them pull it out.
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the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

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vegeta used the power of science duh
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So what if he "cheated"
Goku cheated
He used Toei to make him better than everyone forever
It would have been better if Baby used Gohans body instead of Vegeta's and when Goku is fighting Baby in SSj3 Vegeta rises from the rubble and goes SSj3 also
But they still both lose and Goku ascends and it continues the way it was from there
That would be an even better way of showcasing how powerful Super 17 is if he got hit by an SSj3 using Final Shine(my favourite move sucks how it only gets used once)
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I don't think it's cheating more like Vegeta's Trump Card. A strategy to become stronger regardless of requirements needed to go Super Saiya-jin 4.
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But couldn't Gohan or Goten/Trunks have done this?
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Hell, couldn't Gotenks have done this?
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supposedly only pure saiyans can reach ssj4.
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

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