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| So wait..; are there 3 Cells? | |
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| Warrior-Elite | Apr 28 2011, 09:05 AM Post #16 |
 
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The whole idea of three cells is kinda confusing. When i was a kid i always thought there was one cell who kept traveling through universes. |
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| NeoSSayajin | Apr 28 2011, 12:58 PM Post #17 |
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In fact there are more Cell's, but we only see 3 of them. The Future Trunks that was ambushed and killed by the Cell that came from the future to the present timeline was going to other alternate timeline to tell the Z Fighters of that universe that he had found the way to defeat the Androids, this timeline is not shown but there is a 4th Cell that exists. If we take into account movies, there are several more timelines. And if we believe in the theory that when we decide if A (going out) or B (dont going out), taking for ex. if we decide to do A, an alternate universe is created where we made B, then there are millions of AT. |
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Apr 28 2011, 01:37 PM Post #18 |
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Thanks Seruphim and NeoSSayjain for the explanation. I haven't watched BTF in while I'm afraid. |
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Apr 29 2011, 10:18 AM Post #19 |
 
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The first cell, was the one that came back in the time machine, he killed trunks and took it. He is the cell everyone fights, krillin and trunks destroyed the cell zygote in the lab of the present timeline. The cell that killed trunks is the same one that everyone fought at the cell games, the same cell that trunks killed when he went back to his own time. Cells mistake after killing trunks was the fact that he then perpetuated his own death by coming to far in the past not knowing trunks was already here due to a paradox created by trunks himself already being here, which means that cell came from the future trunks future as well, meaning that he kills trunks when trunks returned after the issue was settled. But that changed the timeline too. Because cell went back to far, and then trunks discovered his own ship 3 years laid to waste. That makes trunks not go back like he was supposed to in order to investigate what happened. Trunks staying behind saved his life. once again changing the timeline, but the paradox cell created by coming here couldnt be erased without him dying. So after all the trials and tribulations trunks went through he used cells idiotic braggodacio to pinpoint where he was hiding and went back to his future in the past, killed the androids and then waited for cell to pop up, then when trunks past self popped up from the time machines initial trip, out came cell, and from behind cell came the real trunks. Then trunks killed cell and prevented his now younger selfs death, but the paradox cell created couldnt be erased. Thats why everything he did still happened. so even though it seems like there were 3 cells, there were in fact only 2. as the cell that initially killed trunks and took the machine came from his world, after not being able to find 17 and 18. who were either gone or assumed destroyed. I honestly think that trunks was strong enough to kill the weaker androids but got dropped on by cell after he had done that. cause remember it was on trunks way back to the machine for another mission that cell popped up and killed him. So cells miscalculation was going back too far in time to before trunks came back, the ship was discovered, trunks investigated and didnt return home like he was supposed to. Then cell pupated... if the cell from the games is another alternate thats a new one on me, cause it was pretty clear what happened, and why killing trunks ended up not meaning anything as he virtually gave trunks the chance to save his own life. Edited by Paikuan extreme, Apr 29 2011, 10:22 AM.
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| dbz123 | Apr 30 2011, 08:32 PM Post #20 |
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In the future timeline which is another alternate timeline, Cell grows to full-size, cracks out of the machine, turns from a larva into its imperfect form, kills Trunks (therefore stealing his time machine), reverts to its larval form, and travels back to our present timeline in order to absorb Androids 17 and 18 |
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May 1 2011, 12:47 PM Post #21 |
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there is no another alternate timeline, both of those futures were created by cell himself, he came back in time looking for 17 and 18 bacasue they had left the world. He killed trunks and went to far back in time warning the trunks that hadnt come back yet, making him not go home, changing trunks past as he was supposed to be killed when he was gonna make a return trip to the past after killng the androids. trust me man, its not that difficult to understand why everything happened differently from the original timeline. Trunks just being here changed everything, him going back and getting jacked by cell was just the start. Trunks trains, they fight cell, cell brags about how he killed trunks and took the machine, it may be filler in the anime but trunks killed cell when he went back and killed the androids, it just took some time to find him(3 years i believe), he waited for him to emerge knowing where he would be. Cell shows up downtown, stalking now past trunks waiting for him to get to the time machine, while long haired trunks not in the paraodoxical loop appears and murders cell on the spot, effectively ending cells possiblity of an existence in our world. But it didnt erase what happened. trunks made the same trip he was supposed to be killed on and said it never happened. Those are paradoxes for you.
Edited by Paikuan extreme, May 2 2011, 09:30 AM.
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| Ascended Vegeta Aijin | Sep 1 2011, 01:41 AM Post #22 |
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I agree, there are millions of different Cells. (Wow that sounded like biology class!) But focusing on the three that we know, the Cell that Gohan killed had his own timeline, he didn't come from Trunkes. |
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Okay, since I changed my name avatar and entire DBZF image, a lot of you don't know who i am. Well use your noggin. Who Loves Vegeta? Who thinks Cell and James Bond are hot but Vegeta is her main man? Who has a life sized cardboard cutout of Vegeta? Still don't know? Spoiler: click to toggle
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| Piccolami | Sep 1 2011, 08:55 PM Post #23 |
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Hey, I signed up to just to comment on this topic. Time travel is one aspect of DBZ that has always intrigued me beyond others, I will explain how I understand it.  Timeline 1 is the main story arc Timeline 2 is where Future trunks ends up Timeline 3 is where Cell who is defeated by Gohan comes from In timeline 3 Future Trunks has destroyed the androids, as he is travelling back to tell the Z fighters he has destroyed the androids he is killed by Cell and Cell steals the time machine travelling from point C to point A. However Future Trunks who Cell has killed in his future also travels to point A when he gave Goku the antidote travelling from point B to point A. These changes in history create timeline 1 where Goku survives etc. As Cell and Future Trunks have both travelled to the same point in history from different points in their future they meet. Future Trunks learns of Cell's plan to ambush him and steal the time machine and so when Future Trunks travels back to point B he is not caught off guard by Cell's ambush and is able to kill Cell. Like altering history has created timeline 1, the information Trunks learns when he travels back to point A has allowed Trunks to alter the future creating timeline 2 where Trunks lives for the rest of his life. It is made clear I believe that changes to history would only alter that timeline so timeline 3 would still exist where Trunks is dead but Cell would seemingly have dissapeared from it as he was killed by Gohan. So to sum up if Cell had never travelled back from point C to point A, Future Trunks would never learned the information that allowed him to survive and create timeline 2. There is a fourth timeline we never see but I don't really understand that bit. I think this is what Ninjajp247 said but I just dumbed down for my own benefit. Correct me if I am wrong Ninjajp247 or anyone else. |
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| Seruphim | Sep 1 2011, 09:08 PM Post #24 |
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Wow this all gets really confusing. And DBZ never really mentions how Trunks gets back to the future he was from as it seems once you change history you would only be able to go into that timeline's history, not the one you originally came from. But what's this about a fourth timeline? |
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| + Pyrus | Sep 1 2011, 09:12 PM Post #25 |
 
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There are officially 4 timelines. http://magikarp46.com/dragonball/guidebooks/07-fourfutures.php Edited by Pyrus, Sep 1 2011, 09:13 PM.
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| Ascended Vegeta Aijin | Sep 2 2011, 12:25 AM Post #26 |
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Whoa, that link was some deep stuff man. But from what i can gather, (and this could be wrong,) but the timeline that the Cell that was killed by Gohan is from, had a past with no Cell, and that is different then the other timeline's, it created a new timeline, one without future Trunks. I think.
Edited by Ascended Vegeta Aijin, Sep 2 2011, 12:35 AM.
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Okay, since I changed my name avatar and entire DBZF image, a lot of you don't know who i am. Well use your noggin. Who Loves Vegeta? Who thinks Cell and James Bond are hot but Vegeta is her main man? Who has a life sized cardboard cutout of Vegeta? Still don't know? Spoiler: click to toggle
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| NeoSSayajin | Sep 2 2011, 12:30 AM Post #27 |
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Seeing this page, it appears that Movies 6 and 7 could fit somehow in Timeline 4... |
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| Seruphim | Sep 2 2011, 12:35 AM Post #28 |
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wait, why does Trunks' shutting down 17 and 18 mean that there must be a timeline where Trunks is not present at the Cell Games? I'm referring to the line that starts with 'the truth is, trunks...' |
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| NeoSSayajin | Sep 2 2011, 12:41 AM Post #29 |
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Because before returning to tell the Z Fighters of Timeline 4 that he deactivated the Androids (and later fight in the Cell Games) Cell from that timeline ambushed him, since this was a Pre-Rosat Trunks he had no chances to defeat Imperfect Cell and he was killed. Edited by NeoSSayajin, Sep 2 2011, 12:41 AM.
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| * Yu Narukami | Sep 2 2011, 12:46 AM Post #30 |
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Timeline 4 : Trunks arrived and got the blueprints of #17 and #18 from Gero's lab. He went back to his timeline, Timeline 3, and was ambushed/killed by Imperfect Cell. Since the Androids weren't destroyed in Timeline 4 and Trunks wasn't there, the Cell Games presumably went on without Trunks. Well, that or the Androids just killed the Z-fighters. My question is, when did Trunks (T3) travel to Timeline 4? The only time he saw the blueprints was when he was destroying Gero's lab and it was shown that he didn't go back after then. Maybe that Trunks decided not to wait and went back to his own timeline instead of waiting for Goku to wake up and mention the RoSaT |
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