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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 26 2011, 06:07 PM (1,248 Views) | |
| G.G. | Apr 26 2011, 06:07 PM Post #1 |
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I wonder if SSJ is still with all those later transformations in the series? I liked the Frieza saga mostly because it was just another dragon ball hunting arc with a g ood story mixed in. When I first saw SSJ int he dub, I was thinking 'oh crap, Frieza is in for in now' but after awhile I was like Vegeta who hated seeing SSJ being place as a child's plaything. It didn't help thgat random villains appear out of nowhere and start wreakign havoc, being SSJ# like it was nothing and it repeats for another arc. GT was really bad with this but while the Frieza saga didn't end the series, it changed the DB universe forever with SSJ forms, powerlevels and the villains in the story. Even so, SSJ still special? It didn't seem that way to me after the Cell saga. |
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| + Rebel X | Apr 26 2011, 06:31 PM Post #2 |
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This annoys me as well. I mean millions of Saiyans went through so much crap and none of them could go super saiyan. Once Goku did it, it was the biggest thing to hit the DBZ empire ever. Things changed from then on. It's become ridiculous even in the series taking SSJ3 for granted like everyone could do it or at least measure up. The voyage that they would go through just to get to the first level was intense for all of em. Goku say his friends die, Vegeta nearly died in a meteor shower, Trunks world was being destroyed, Gohan pushed himself with his dad in the chamber and his dreams that haunted him. Anyway...I totally appreciate the ability in itself and I thinkit's cool to ascend but they made it a joke by the time Buu Saga came around |
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| Noir | Apr 26 2011, 08:09 PM Post #3 |
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Gotta change things up |
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Apr 27 2011, 05:31 AM Post #4 |
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Of course it is. It's the still the first generation of SSJ's and its pretty cool. It's the first hurdle that was made. Kinda like the first man on the moon only Goku's the first guy to turn blonde into the new brunette. |
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| Cal | Apr 27 2011, 05:45 AM Post #5 |
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With the exception of SSJ4 (because GT was crap) they're all important. Plot purposes made it to where more powerful enemies had to appear and our hero's had to get stronger. Frieza's saga portrayed the beginning of the transition from upping power levels drastically (with somewhat of an exception to the Saiyan saga)..... SSj3 is so awesome <3 |
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| Doctor Know | Apr 27 2011, 06:06 AM Post #6 |
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Yes Super Saiyan is still special. If you only watch up to the Cell Saga. I did a thread awhile ago about the redundancy of the higher levels of SSJ, and what i found is that more fights were won at the first level of SSJ. I appreciated the first level in the Frieza, Android and Cell sagas, because everyone who achieved it had the will power, dedication and power to achieve it. I like SSJ2, I would've preferred to see it stay exclusive to Gohan since he had special hidden power since birth. Vegeta and Trunks both spent 2 years (ROSAT) trying to achieve it and neither could do it. Goku spent 1 year (ROSAT) and he couldn't do it either. It should've stayed that way. SSJ3 was a big goofy cliche that had only 5 minutes of fame before it became obsolete. Notice how the 2 characters who use it never win a fight with it. Unless you count wrath of the dragon where Goku pulls a hax kill on Hirudegarn, who had one-shotted both SSJ3 Gotenks, and Mythic Gohan. Both being way stronger than Goku SSJ3. |
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| Cal | Apr 27 2011, 06:50 AM Post #7 |
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It was simply necessary. You talk about how they never won a fight.... do you understand that the form takes more energy to use? Goku couldn't even use it long on Majin Buu, just long enough to buy time. Also, he didn't beat Kid Buu with it because he wanted Vegeta to have a chance to fight him, he said so himself. The only cliche is Mystic Gohan. He didn't train for years, then sits by an old dude for some hours and becomes stronger than everyone. >'> |
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| Doctor Know | Apr 27 2011, 08:40 AM Post #8 |
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Goku admitted that he could have defeated the Fat Majin Buu when they fought over West City, but he wanted Goten and Trunks' to defeat Buu with the fusion. SSJ3 is a hax because of how you achieve it. It takes 100% commitment of all your energy to achieve this form. In the living world that's impossible because you'd die of overexertion, but in the afterlife where the rules of mortality don't apply it's possible. Gotenks can do it because of the magic energy he receives by doing fusion. Since the bulk of his strength and ki come from the ritual dance, he has resevoirs of ki to pull from that are neither Goten's or Trunks'. Committing 100% of your ki to this form miraculously quadruples your strength from SSJ2 (increase your strength by 8x if from SSJ1 like Gotenks). And seeing how the Buu Saga ends with SSJ Goku finishing Kid Buu with a spirit bomb, I wouldn't say SSJ3 was necessary. Edited by Doctor Know, Apr 27 2011, 08:46 AM.
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| G.G. | Apr 28 2011, 02:14 AM Post #9 |
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I am not too sure about Buu but I hate Goten and Chibi Trunks got SSJ without effort at all. At least Gohan worked to achieve his power, SSJ became a 'child`s plaything' as Vegeta said it. |
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Apr 28 2011, 02:33 AM Post #10 |
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Thats what I hated most about Dragonball z, after the big initial transformation(SSJ), they seemed to forget about the journey part of the storyline. |
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Apr 28 2011, 03:35 AM Post #11 |
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Me too. I didn't enjoy the Android Saga for that perticular reason. I felt the need to go beyond SSJ was rushed. Heck lets see more fights with 17 and 18 instead of quickly getting rid of them to set up Cell. |
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Apr 28 2011, 04:02 AM Post #12 |
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It seemed like after Frezia, Villains just kept showing up, a hero came, mainly Goku, saved the day. |
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| * Psyam | Apr 28 2011, 04:31 AM Post #13 |
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Super Saiyan was amazing at first, back near say the start of the Androids saga...then it just lost it's value after so many different forms and variations got put in and everyone was doing it. That said, I honestly preferred the series back before Super Saiyans. Goku just felt much more like Goku when he had black hair while fighting still. |
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| Warrior-Elite | Apr 28 2011, 09:00 AM Post #14 |
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Obviously ssj is special, but think of it as an introduction to the next transformations. |
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| + Steve | Apr 28 2011, 01:55 PM Post #15 |
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I think it should have been if they achieve a level of super saiyan they can only use the highest I think its a bit ridiculous how easy it is for Goku to go ssj1 then 2 then 3 the strain on the body would be tremendous So what I mean is goku should only be able to go ssj3 after he does it on earth(he does it in other world but it could be that he was back to normal in the living world) That way it would be different not everybody would be the same all the time Or maybe unique forms like say Gohans ssj is more for speed Trunks for great physical strength Vegeta for energy and Goku would probably be good at everything(well that's how they would make it obviously) |
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