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| dbz123 | Apr 23 2011, 04:58 PM Post #1 |
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Just wondering. The Goku Cooler fought was much more powerful than the Goku on Namek. Besides, Cooler was able to effectively control his powers, unlike Frieza. Cooler said his brother was always trying to beat him at everything If anyone can get an answer to this thanks! Edited by dbz123, Apr 23 2011, 04:59 PM.
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| Saberoph | Apr 23 2011, 05:02 PM Post #2 |
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Your OP answered it. You said Goku was stronger than his Namek self, so for Cooler to be able to laugh off Goku's punch knee and be able to give SS Goku the trouble he did, he would have to be stronger. Edited by Saberoph, Apr 23 2011, 05:03 PM.
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| + Rebel X | Apr 23 2011, 06:20 PM Post #3 |
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Well I believe Cooler and Frieza were very much nothing against Goku SS1, but ti's hard to compare the two alone. I do think Cooler was more powerful but for several reasons. 1 he attained his new form and 2 because he could prduce energies much faster than Frieza. I wonder if Lord Cold was still more powerful than the both of them |
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| + Green | Apr 23 2011, 06:44 PM Post #4 |
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It's a little hard to tell since goku beat cooler so much easier than he did freeza but throughout the movie it was implied (if i remember correctly) that Cooler was stronger than freeza, even if it was just his 4th form that gave him the advantage. |
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| Saberoph | Apr 23 2011, 06:55 PM Post #5 |
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Here's all that was said about Coola's strength from the Japanese script. http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8274296&t=8280399 |
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| + Pyrus | Apr 23 2011, 08:15 PM Post #6 |
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Cooler had to have been stronger since he was fighting evenly with Goku. His 5th form would also be MUCH stronger than Freeza. |
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| Saberoph | Apr 23 2011, 08:21 PM Post #7 |
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Yea, not just that, but it was said that Goku was stronger than he was on Namek, and like you said Goku's Base fought evenly with what would be considered Frieza's Final Form. I still think Coola's Transformation was his 100%. |
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| Noir | Apr 23 2011, 10:51 PM Post #8 |
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He also said he could easily kill Frieza..Coolers way stronger maybe im biased though
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| Saberoph | Apr 23 2011, 11:07 PM Post #9 |
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I can't see why, it's not like your username is a character or anything.
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| Gohan SS2 | Apr 26 2011, 03:59 AM Post #10 |
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Cooler is stronger by a mile. |
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| * Psyam | Apr 26 2011, 09:02 PM Post #11 |
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Goku didn't visibly use Kaioken against Cooler until he was in his 5th form. Base Goku was beating 4th form Cooler up - watch the fight again. Goku had the advantage, without even using high levels of Kaioken. The shot Cooler got on Goku when they first met was only because he was busy protecting Gohan, similar to how Gohan jumped infront of Cell's blast to save Vegeta and got injured for it. Goku would of been stronger then on Namek, but not tens of times more powerful. Around 3x at most I'd say. Even the Goku in the Cooler movie would of had to of gone to high levels of Kaioken to be beating on Frieza's 4th form (50% or above power, not necessarily 100%). He was clearly not using high levels of Kaioken (or even using Kaioken at all, you could argue) until Cooler transformed. Cooler could easily kill Frieza by transforming, but I think if Cooler didn't go to his extra transformation, Frieza is stronger. That said, it's possible Cooler just transformed instead of powering up to the limits of his 4th form. Who knows. Cooler and Frieza both considered themselves the strongest in the universe, so I wouldn't take anything Cooler said about Frieza being weak seriously. He would never admit he was weaker then his younger brother, even in just his 4th form. |
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| + Pyrus | Apr 26 2011, 09:11 PM Post #12 |
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Cooler was still hanging in the fight with Goku, so it's not like he was being overwhelmed. Goku was stated to be stronger than he was on Namek, so if Cooler was hanging with that Goku, then he's stronger than whatever percentage of power Freeza was using in his 4th form on Namek. We don't know how powerful Cooler truly was in his 4th form, if we assume he didn't go to 100% and just skipped to his next transformation. So I still don't see any reason to put him below Freeza. |
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| Naruto-Gogeta | Apr 26 2011, 09:22 PM Post #13 |
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Yeah, I agree with Saberoph. You pretty much just answered your own question, in the question. |
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| * Psyam | Apr 26 2011, 09:41 PM Post #14 |
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Frieza only needed a third of his power to completely obliterate Goku, sans Kaiokenx20, whereas Cooler was being beaten by Goku who definitely wasn't using a high level of Kaioken due to no visible aura, if even using Kaioken at all. Cooler was hanging on, but he was still getting beat, whereas Goku never had a chance against Frieza without using Kaiokenx20, and even then he was only able to match half of Frieza's power. Goku was stronger in the movie, but not so much stronger he'd be able to toss Frieza around like he was Cooler without using high Kaioken levels. Goku would of been at most Kaiokenx10 against 4th form Cooler, and that's being generous. Say he's three times stronger then when he fought Frieza, which is again being generous, and all you get is: Base Goku on Namek = 2.5%ish of Frieza's power at most, for Kaiokenx20 to only make Frieza's 50% struggle for awhile, not overpower him. Base Goku in Movie 5 (if 3x stronger) = 7.5% Frieza Goku in Movie 5, Kaiokenx10 = 75% Frieza That's again being very generous saying he was 3x stronger against Cooler AND constantly at Kaiokenx10 before Cooler even transformed, and even then he would of been weaker then Frieza's 100% and clearly had the advantage on 4th form Cooler. If Cooler had hidden reserves of power before he transformed, then sure he might of been stronger even in 4th form then Frieza, but we don't know that he did, so we can't assume it, I'm going off what was shown and assuming Cooler wasn't playing around and felt he had to transform to win. I'm just going off what I saw, to be honest. Frieza annihilated Goku without any effort, Cooler was being bested by Goku who would not of reasonably been any more then 3x more powerful then he was on Namek. In the English Dub, Cooler said Frieza was "always trying to beat me, and he definitely had the edge, but then it happened. I transformed." In the Japanese version of the film, Goku only said Cooler's power was greater then Frieza's after Cooler transformed, as I recall. Not before. It's pretty much speculation either way, but personally I hold Frieza as the naturally more powerful brother, but Cooler's extra transformation makes him much stronger. |
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Apr 26 2011, 09:59 PM Post #15 |
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Yeah but how much time had passed sine his fight with frieza? i mean this is obviously before the android saga, but his year on yardrat and training with everyone after trunks warning is just the tip of whats been going on. Goku used the kaioken against frieza because he wanted to match a power he was comfortable he could hurt frieza with. Cooler was obviously comfortable in his fourth form and looked like he lived in it, he didnt bother transforming revealing the 5th form and saying why until goku proved resilient enough to beat frieza, believing frieza is stronger makes no sense, talk down on his bro for the hell of it? no. They were obviously rivals, frieza was so intent on showing his fourth form that he actually bragged no one knew about it. Well cooler shows up about as comfortable in his fouth form as an mssj is in theirs. Then transformed alot easier into his fifth form then frieza could attain full power, then created a "death ball" in about 5 seconds. Yeah coolers fourth form is possibly on par with frieza in his final form and at full power. It does make me think that king cold had some pretty awesome power though, in the funimation dub frieza was deferring to him and calling him daddy, too funny. But yes, most def is cooler IMO able to take frieza and wring him out without trying to hard. Would it be a good fight even? No, not if you want an actual fight to watch. Otherwise its an easy kill. Edited by Paikuan extreme, Apr 26 2011, 10:01 PM.
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