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GT Pan.
Topic Started: Apr 20 2011, 01:56 PM (808 Views)
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If you believe what I believe that in Z Gohan can't go SS again(I'm not here to debate that!), well Pan is conceived in the time-frame where Gohan would still be like that.

Well, if Gohan was like that and Pan conceived, and we saw that Goten and Trunks inherited Goku and Vegeta's SS/MSS power the same way. So couldn't Pan have inherited Gohan's Ultimate Power. It would explain why she's so powerful and not being a MSS.

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i don't think she inherited ultimate, that's not exactly something you inherit. but she did inherit an extremely high power, and missed out on the automssj. that's gt, though, in dbz, it was never stated that she couldn't transform, but it wasn't shown that she could. AT supposedly said, though, that the only reason pan was never shown as an ssj was because he couldn't figure out how to draw her. i take that to mean that in dbz, she is an mssj, it's just never shown on panel.
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That's why I believe Gohan's Ki was rewritten, to where he could no longer go SS, and he had just Base power, until the GT cluster *****.

So, if you look at it that way, then it kinda is possible.
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There's nothing saying she couldn't inherit he's Ultimate power? From a GT standpoint it could be implied that she inherit that power at birth. Though from a DBZ she looks to be MSSJ level.
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Well yea, in GT she's stronger than Goten and Trunks, and some even argue Mr. Boo as well, but she's not higher than that.
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It is a shame we didn't see much more of her fighting abilities in GT. She talked a lot, but most of her talk was put to shame most of the time. Her personality was a bit lacking, which is why some find her annoying. I had very high hopes of her when I first saw her in DBZ. There is a possibility she is as powerful as you guys say she is. I guess I was just expecting her to go super saiyan. I know she probably inherited some kind of mystic, which is why she didn't. The same goes for Bra. They were both a letdown for me.
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Well I think Bra could be a MSS too, because when she was conceived Vegeta had access to SS2.
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It is a shame we didn't see much more of her fighting abilities in GT. She talked a lot, but most of her talk was put to shame most of the time. Her personality was a bit lacking, which is why some find her annoying. I had very high hopes of her when I first saw her in DBZ. There is a possibility she is as powerful as you guys say she is. I guess I was just expecting her to go super saiyan. I know she probably inherited some kind of mystic, which is why she didn't. The same goes for Bra. They were both a letdown for me.
I agree.

Pan had so much potential, she could have been huge...

At the beginning of GT I thought Pan would be the surprise of the new series and reach levels of power never reached before. However, she turned out to be quite disappointing. She was too much of a brat, always whining and complaining, wasn't nearly as powerful as I had expected her to be, and I thought all of her fights were a bit underwhelming.

I'm sure the creators of GT had big plans for Pan, but I do believe a saiyan character like Pan really needed to turn SSJ in order to stay as relevant as the other fighters.

Bra could have also been interesting. She was the daughter of Vegeta after all. If I was the one in charge of GT I'd definitely give Bra a cool role instead of pushing her to the background and letting her stay neutral the whole time.

But it's GT. They messed up a lot of things.

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Why do you all say Pan is so strong, you hardly see her strength, only in the Omega saga, which she gets owned anyways.
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Apr 21 2011, 10:58 AM
Why do you all say Pan is so strong, you hardly see her strength, only in the Omega saga, which she gets owned anyways.
1. Boo, Mister [#BO4#BOO]
Chapter: 519 (DBZ 325), P1.3
Goten: “Th-that can’t be! How can I go up against Boo right in the first round?!”
Goku: “It’s only a problem because you keep slacking off in your training.”


the adults are all getting in range of mr. buu, or have passed him. goten and trunks are weaker than buu, because they slacked off with their training. they are still stronger than when they are kids, though.

Chapter: 518 (DBZ 324), P4.1
Goku: “She won’t be able to win the tournament, I suppose, but she should definitely be able to go pretty far. Right now, Pan is the one in our family with the most guts!”
Pan: “Yeah!”

pan should be able to go pretty far in a tournament full of high level fighters.

dbz pan is already in fighting range with goten, trunks, and mr. buu, at least.

gt pan. sh still has the same attitude towards fighting and training as she did 5 years before. that means that gt pan >> z pan ~ mr. buu. it doesn't really matter what she did in gt, she always kept the saiyan attitude towards training and fighting, so she always continued to improve.
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^ I can see your point but it is mostly speculation.

I think it's impossible for a regular saiyan to be neck and neck with Buu. Sure Pan was a kid prodigy, but she just can't compare to a super saiyan. And Buu is supposedly around the same level of a SSJ3 Goku --yeah, he got weaker after he got rid of the evil Buu that was inside of him, but I'd say he's still as strong as a SSJ2 or at the very least a very powerful SSJ.

Pan never got to experience those levels of power. I think a regular saiyan can train all their life and get gradually stronger constantly, but they'll never achieve the same levels of power in their regular form that they'd achieve if they turned SSJ.

That was the whole logic of the SSJ transformation in the first place when it was introduced to us viewers in the Frieza saga. That's why I don't think Pan could compete against Buu, not even against Android 18 for that matter who is as strong as SSJ.

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Yea, and Base Pan is stronger than Base or MSS, depends on you're interpretation.

@Rock Star. If Pan inherited that power from Gohan(in which I do), then she wouldn't need MSS to keep up with everyone, she would still be just as powerful as the SS' just wouldn't have to worry about any energy waste in the future, or worry about transforming.
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Apr 21 2011, 02:49 PM
^ I can see your point but it is mostly speculation.

I think it's impossible for a regular saiyan to be neck and neck with Buu. Sure Pan was a kid prodigy, but she just can't compare to a super saiyan. And Buu is supposedly around the same level of a SSJ3 Goku --yeah, he got weaker after he got rid of the evil Buu that was inside of him, but I'd say he's still as strong as a SSJ2 or at the very least a very powerful SSJ.

Pan never got to experience those levels of power. I think a regular saiyan can train all their life and get gradually stronger constantly, but they'll never achieve the same levels of power in their regular form that they'd achieve if they turned SSJ.

That was the whole logic of the SSJ transformation in the first place when it was introduced to us viewers in the Frieza saga. That's why I don't think Pan could compete against Buu, not even against Android 18 for that matter who is as strong as SSJ.
the transformation is merely a power boost. except for the mssj training, having ssj doesn't affect the saiyan's base power at all. and remember goku said she would go far in the tournament, but she wouldn't win. there is no speculation there, goku could only be referring to her fighting the other z fighters with his comment.

so,

18 < base kid goten < post rosat base kid goten <= teen goten < pan

pan is a powerful fighter by end of z standards, goku said so, and anything contradicting that is just pan hate personal opinion
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I'm not sure but Pan is so annoying in GT :/. Always in the way but somehow manages to actually help at the end...annoying.
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I actually don't find Pan that annoying with the Japanese script, hell, I don't even find Gill annoying in the Japanese, he's more silly stupid imo.
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