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List of times where a lower form is powerful then a higher form?
Topic Started: Apr 19 2011, 06:06 PM (1,037 Views)
Destiny
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Anyone have a list of it?

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DanielSan
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Can you count gt? Because if you can then I wil give you many.

1. Gotenks ssj stronger than ssj3 goku.

2. Vegito stronger than all ssj3's as a ssj

3. Gt base goku stronger than ssj3 goku and maybe mystic gohan if you have goku that high like Saberoph does.

4. Pan stronger than quite a few ssj's and some very very weak ssj2's.

5. Base Gohan gt stronger than ssj goten.

Those are the only ones I can remember at the top of my head.
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base kid trunks/goten > 18 > ssj vegeta (android).

gt krillin > base goku > ssj4 goku
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

for those that blindly follow word of god
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lunar2
Apr 19 2011, 06:12 PM
base kid trunks/goten > 18 > ssj vegeta (android).

gt krillin > base goku > ssj4 goku
That can't be true. No way Krillen is SSJ4 in any saga. He never got past SSJ2. Going to need a explanation on this one.
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Cell's Angel

uhh... I think I have one..
Wasn't Trunks more powerful than Cell when they fought? Cell was like, SSJ2 level wasn't he? Trunks wasn't. I don't know what you would label him as...
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Apr 19 2011, 06:17 PM
lunar2
Apr 19 2011, 06:12 PM
base kid trunks/goten > 18 > ssj vegeta (android).

gt krillin > base goku > ssj4 goku
That can't be true. No way Krillen is SSJ4 in any saga. He never got past SSJ2. Going to need a explanation on this one.
end of gt. omega shenron trashed eveerybody, and base goku floats up with the spirit bomb. omega shenron blasts base goku, and doesn't even move or scratch him with a direct hit. base goku > ssj4 goku. then krillin and goku spar, and krillin wins (same episode)

that is the nature of gt. we all thought they were goku fanboys, when really, they were just setting us up for krillin, lol.
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

for those that blindly follow word of god
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No GT! That will get too nuts!
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Actually Lunar, Omega Shenron killed Goku.

But Goku still came back with a universal spirit bomb while being dead, probably Yemma's wish.
Hence, explain why Goku left on Shenron with his clothes on yet Pan finds his battle worn clothes on the ground ( his real clothes )

And Vegeta makes a statement in the Japanese version saying "Wait... your not.." then Goku goes "Shhh"

GT might be a bit messed up but Base Goku surviving Omega Shenron just makes no sense at all, not even from a GT stand point.


And yeah all i can think right now is Gotenks Base and SSJ being SSJ3 level.

Vegetto Base stronger than SSJ3

SSJ3 Vegetto stronger than SSJ4
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DbzHybrid
Apr 20 2011, 01:27 AM
Actually Lunar, Omega Shenron killed Goku.

But Goku still came back with a universal spirit bomb while being dead, probably Yemma's wish.
Hence, explain why Goku left on Shenron with his clothes on yet Pan finds his battle worn clothes on the ground ( his real clothes )

And Vegeta makes a statement in the Japanese version saying "Wait... your not.." then Goku goes "Shhh"

GT might be a bit messed up but Base Goku surviving Omega Shenron just makes no sense at all, not even from a GT stand point.


And yeah all i can think right now is Gotenks Base and SSJ being SSJ3 level.

Vegetto Base stronger than SSJ3

SSJ3 Vegetto stronger than SSJ4
I'd argue he's SSJ2 form is stronger then SSJ4. But I think we all agree SSJ3 Vegito stronger then SSJ4.
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Piccolo stronger than 2nd , 3rd form Frezia.
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@hybrid. I know goku was dead, but gt still messed up there. base goku still tanked a hit that ssj4 goku couldn't. being dead doesn't make THAT big of a difference, and the spirit bomb doesn't increase the users defense any. toei just messed up there, no other explanation.
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

for those that blindly follow word of god
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lunar2
Apr 20 2011, 03:45 AM
spirit bomb doesn't increase the users defense any. toei just messed up there, no other explanation.
True, I think Frieza hit Goku during the spirit bomb too.
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3. Gt base goku stronger than ssj3 goku and maybe mystic gohan if you have goku that high like Saberoph does.

You gotta take into account that, in GT logically everyone but Goku, Vegeta, Trunks and Goten here and there, has stopped training, but GT says none of them did. And in Episode 28, we see Base Goku>MSS Gohan, and Gohan is apparently stronger than his Z self, and GT follows Anime logic and in the Anime SS3 Goku>Ultimate Gohan. So, for GT to make sense, Goku needs to be that high.

And to keep from getting a headache, I just used my MSS Vegetto level to make things easier. :p
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DanielSan
Apr 19 2011, 06:10 PM
1. Gotenks ssj stronger than ssj3 goku.
4. Pan stronger than quite a few ssj's and some very very weak ssj2's.
You're kidding, right?
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Well, GT Pan is stronger than GT Trunks, and it's implied that he didn't stop training. This is the GT Saiyan power scale.

Goku=Vegeta>Gohan>Pan>Trunks>Goten.

I know it's stupid and insane, but that's what's stated in GT.

And MSS Gotenks was actually stronger than SS3 Goku, if Gotenks hasn't *****ed around like he did, the rosat wouldn't have been needed.
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My Broli Idea.
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