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Majuub vs Mystic Gohan
Topic Started: Apr 14 2011, 06:18 AM (8,880 Views)
Saberoph May 3 2011, 01:23 AM Post #31
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May 2 2011, 10:18 PM
size doesn't really matter in dbz. goku vs piccolo jr. at the 23rd budokai proves this. piccolo became giant sized, and goku flat out told him that he just made himself a bigger target.
Size does matter(This really sounds dirty :lol: ) If part of a mountain can knock Goku back and him not fight out of it, then the same can apply with SGA Goku.
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Destiny May 3 2011, 01:29 AM Post #32
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May 2 2011, 11:07 PM
stop screaming about bringing up names, im grown i can do it if the need arises, i dont need your permission. I can compare and contrast anyone i want as long as its part of the discussed topic what about that do you fail to understand? size does matter and it DOESNT MATTER WHO IT IS OR WHAT SERIES YOU DISCUSS. So come off it, if you dont have a legit argument then dont tell me i cant use evidence to your contrary. Piccolo stopped using his big form quite a bit ago, and no one has fought oversized people except for goku. Lord slugs size was too much for goku in movie 4 until he went first form super saiyan, so save the yelling and no evidence to the contrary of what you said to someone else who wont respond to you like i would.

BTW: ive only been warned for double posting by the mods, all of my references are relevant tothe subject at hand, i even included a reference about me for good measure. Want some tissue?

like i stated before as my point, this is about physics. Without an advantage on your bigger opponent it hardly matters if you can bench press the same weight, apply it to real life and stop tripping.
Size matters not. Another example being krillen versus the big guy in tournament in the Buu Saga. He kept screaming how size matters and showing him size matters. Only to get he's but kicked.

However, in the real world Size does matter in some cases and some it doesn't. Though mentioning the real world in comparison with DBZ does not prove anything aside from saying one is real and other is not. Though this is a discussion about DBZ really doesn't matter.
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lunar2 May 3 2011, 03:07 AM Post #33
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 in a fictional world where people have the power to destroy planets, and travel between galaxies in 7 days, no, physics play no part in any discussion of that world.

guess what. you said that size would come into play when powers are close.

23rd budokai:

goku ~ piccolo

piccolo's size increase just makes him a bigger target. piccolo got past oozaru size, and it didn't help him a bit.


Chapter: 187, P2.1-2
Context: after Piccolo becomes a giant
Kame-sennin: “He’s truly fearsome. Despite becoming gigantic, his swiftness hasn’t changed at all.”
Goku: “That kind of size don’t mean nothin’!”


there. this ends all argument. piccolo is bigger than oozaru goku, but “That kind of size don’t mean nothin’!” size means nothing in dbz.
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Saberoph May 3 2011, 03:15 AM Post #34
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 You still haven't explained how a mountain side can knock Goku back though, and it's larger than him, hmm...

And before you try "It's Filler", in GT filler counts.

Also, SBV can be nearly equal to SGA Goku, and would have to be because his attack effected him.
Edited by Saberoph, May 3 2011, 03:28 AM.
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lunar2 May 3 2011, 03:34 AM Post #35
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You still haven't explained how a mountain side can knock Goku back though, and it's larger than him, hmm...

And before you try "It's Filler", in GT filler counts.

Also, SBV can be nearly equal to SGA Goku, and would have to be because his attack effected him.
really? you mean like weakened base goku affected oozaru vegeta with a basic kiblast to the eye? yeah, i'm sure they were nearly equal, when goku started weaker and vegeta multiplied his power by 10. goku even said even a kkx5 wouldn't help. showing that oozaru vegeta was more than 5x as powerful as goku, and yet goku hurt him. and the mountain side was thrown by frieza. it wasn't the size, it was the force behind it.
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Saberoph May 3 2011, 03:41 AM Post #36
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 But SBV's blast did take SGA Goku off his feet none the less.

To make SBV weaker and no where near SGA Goku, you have to explain that attack, and besides SGA Goku only got two hits in, and the second was a surprise attack, and Baby even says his only chance is to Transform too. So, Baby could be weaker than SGA Goku but close enough to do something(Kinda like Broli vs. Gohan).
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lunar2 May 3 2011, 04:28 AM Post #37
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 funny, rewatching gt episode 33 "the tail's tale." did you know that majuub completely outclassed baby until he started using candy beams? of course, later we find out that majuub intended to be eaten all along. so, from what's actually shown, i'm changing my opinion. majuub > super 2 baby vegeta >ssj vegito> baby vegeta > ultimate gohan. sorry, but manga or anime, there's just no way gohan can win. will get back on baby vs. oozaru.
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Destiny May 3 2011, 04:32 AM Post #38
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Isn't Majubb just a battle between Kid Buu and Fat Buu vs Mystic Gohan? Or is there a substantial boost I'm not aware of? I know Ubb is equal to Kid Buu. Who is stronger then Fat Buu. Which both are far far weaker then Ultimate Gohan.
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Saberoph May 3 2011, 04:34 AM Post #39
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 Oh you mean Baby blocking all of his movies, then Majin Oob getting surprise attacks in? Because that's all that happened, he kept getting surprise attacks in, like the kick, then the blasts coming from behind...That wasn't anything special and doesn't suggest what you're saying.

Also, who said I thought Ultimate Gohan was stronger? I never said that.
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lunar2 May 3 2011, 04:37 AM Post #40
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Isn't Majubb just a battle between Kid Buu and Fat Buu vs Mystic Gohan? Or is there a substantial boost I'm not aware of? I know Ubb is equal to Kid Buu. Who is stronger then Fat Buu. Which both are far far weaker then Ultimate Gohan.
gt uub is far stronger than kid buu. baby saga uub > ssj3 gt goku. majuub is uub fused with mr. buu.

@saberoph. what surprise attacks are those? is it the punches and kicks that had baby balled up, coming from the front? is it the energy blasts he's barely dodging, also from the front? or is it the yellow blasts that were meant to miss, which baby turned around and watched come back? face it, majuub didnt do any surprise attacks, he just had baby on the ropes the entire fight. every attack majuub used was from right in front of baby. he was fully on the offense, and had baby scared, unable to counterattack at all.

next episode: back in the game. ga goku knocks baby away on his second attack, and baby is in a building, scraped up and laying down. he then says in japanese: "man, what incredible power." then he grunts and struggles to get out of the rubble, like he's injured.

baby knocks goku off the side of the building, but it doesn't show goku getting hit directly. for all we know, he broke the building goku was hanging on.
Edited by lunar2, May 3 2011, 04:50 AM.
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Saberoph May 3 2011, 04:50 AM Post #41
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 Actually the end of Majin Oob's beam is in the middle of it, so if anything Oob is equal to SBV.
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lunar2 May 3 2011, 04:52 AM Post #42
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 you cant go by the beam struggle, because later we found out that majuub intended to lose that. therefore, the beam struggle is irrelevant. during the part where they are actually fighting, majuub completely dominates.

baby knocks goku off the building again, but again most of the attack was directed at the building, not goku. and goku gets up unscathed, and breathes fire. that chases baby, who's running scared.
Edited by lunar2, May 3 2011, 04:55 AM.
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Saberoph May 3 2011, 04:54 AM Post #43
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 The only hit he got off was his misdirection hit...that's all, and that is a sucker attack.

Hell, I can argue that Baby doesn't get how he's able to fight again when he was finished before.

Actually Baby gets cocky from hitting his target, so it was directed at Goku.
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lunar2 May 3 2011, 04:58 AM Post #44
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 so, a string of blocked punches and kicks, followed by a knee that connects, followed by a kick that sends him flying is a sucker hit? get real. and baby had tim to watch majuub power up, when majuub explains about fusing with buu, so no, he wasn't caught off guard by the fact that he's fighting. your just making excuses, stop it.

goku hits baby again, knocking him into the ground. this one was a surprise, but the first one wasn't.
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Saberoph May 3 2011, 05:00 AM Post #45
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 The knee didn't connect, Baby backed up to dodge it. Baby said himself he didn't get how he's able to fight again. And Majin Oob explains this AFTER that series of blocks, so before hand Baby had no idea how he was able to get up and fight again. So, I guess Baby can see into the future and know what Oob was gonna say...

And don't ever accuse me of doing something I didn't do again.

I already said the first one wasn't but the second hit was a surprise...not sure why you brought that up though...
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