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Broly's form
Topic Started: Mar 14 2011, 02:57 AM (11,320 Views)
Saberoph Apr 8 2011, 01:52 AM Post #91
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 I would buy that if it was just one hit, and if Gohan wasn't right in-front of Broli. Not only does that not add up, but it doesn't make sense. Gohan knocked Broli back with two hits, so I guess both hits were surprise hits?

I'm not trying to sound rude, but it sounds like Broli is being made out to be more powerful than what he really is.

But lets say Broli got a Zenkai, if Gohan can knock Broli back not once but twice, then it wasn't that large.

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Sam Apr 8 2011, 02:01 AM Post #92
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It takes a mere second for treasure to turn to trash.

 It is a fact he got a zenkai.

Goku knocked Broly's head back with a knee in movie 8. The first hit you're referring to was nothing. Broly wasn't expecting it. Chibi Trunks knocked Fat Boo off of Vegeta. Piccolo sent 50% Freeza flying. Big deal.

The second hit had some value, but, again, Broly was still vastly superior. He knocked Gohan out in three hits. A Super Saiyan 2. I'm pretty sure he could handle SSj2 Vegeta or Goku. Then again, I've explained all of my reasoning for this in my topic. If you'd like to counter it there, I invite you to. I'm not a Brolytard, I'm simply viewing his feats realistically with a non-bias. I've been debating this stuff for five years.
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Saberoph Apr 8 2011, 02:09 AM Post #93
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 If I wanted to call you a Brolitard, I would have done it. I won't pussy-foot around my words.

And I think I look at Broli's power realistically too. I just think saying Gohan took Broli by surprise while being right in-front of him, and got out of a solid hold is an excuse to say Broli is super strong. A first time can be explained as a surprise hit, but not two. Even for Tori's and DBZ's standards, that's too unrealistically, even for them.
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Sam Apr 8 2011, 02:27 AM Post #94
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It takes a mere second for treasure to turn to trash.

 Gohan merely kicked Broly to the side which did no damage to him. When Broly was fully expecting a hit, such as the punch directly to the face by SSj2 Gohan, it did absolutely nothing. Broly took Gohan down in three hits. I think he could curbstomp SSj2 Goku or Vegeta. With difficulty, yes, but, I still think it would be a win for him.
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Saberoph Apr 8 2011, 02:34 AM Post #95
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 I was just talking about the knee to Broli's head. I know the punch did nothing, and the kick was by surprise. But by the third time, Gohan powers out of Broli's hold, that has to count for something. That can't be just set aside like another surprise attack, I mean Broli was looking right Gohan the whole time, and Broli even resisted Gohan when he was trying to get out of it. So the knee wasn't by surprise.

I would place Movie 10 Broli between Cell Games SS2 Gohan and Boo arc Pre-Majin SS2 Vegeta.
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+ Pyrus Apr 8 2011, 02:59 AM Post #96
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Apr 8 2011, 02:34 AM
I was just talking about the knee to Broli's head. I know the punch did nothing, and the kick was by surprise. But by the third time, Gohan powers out of Broli's hold, that has to count for something. That can't be just set aside like another surprise attack, I mean Broli was looking right Gohan the whole time, and Broli even resisted Gohan when he was trying to get out of it. So the knee wasn't by surprise.

I would place Movie 10 Broli between Cell Games SS2 Gohan and Boo arc Pre-Majin SS2 Vegeta.
Wouldn't that be a really tiny gap?
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Saberoph Apr 8 2011, 03:13 AM Post #97
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 Oh *****, I meant Movie 10, not Cell Games. I've been talking about the Cell Games too much lately. :lol:
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Nusu Apr 8 2011, 07:30 AM Post #98
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Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr.

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The reason why I was saying that is because Vegeta himself says the Saiyan of Legend could only be SS while in Great Ape, and it makes sense for SS4 to be that imo.

I know in the non-cannon/movie universe, Broli is the LSS.

But what about the Anime Series universe, in that one SS4 could be whatever someone wants it to be.
It never got indicated, by the "GT Team", so I may assume that is just another Super-Saiyan Form, but, I guess everyone can have his own opinion about that. :)
But, Vegeta says the Saiyan of Legend could Only be SS while in Great Ape, don't you find it a little funny that in GT there's Golden Great Ape (Super Great Ape to me).
Then the Golden Oozaru is the Legendary Super-Saiyan but not the SSJ 4. :p
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Cocoman Apr 8 2011, 01:39 PM Post #99
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It is a fact he got a zenkai.

Goku knocked Broly's head back with a knee in movie 8. The first hit you're referring to was nothing. Broly wasn't expecting it. Chibi Trunks knocked Fat Boo off of Vegeta. Piccolo sent 50% Freeza flying. Big deal.

The second hit had some value, but, again, Broly was still vastly superior. He knocked Gohan out in three hits. A Super Saiyan 2. I'm pretty sure he could handle SSj2 Vegeta or Goku. Then again, I've explained all of my reasoning for this in my topic. If you'd like to counter it there, I invite you to. I'm not a Brolytard, I'm simply viewing his feats realistically with a non-bias. I've been debating this stuff for five years.
Agreed.
No matter what way you look at it, Broly still beat Gohan with ease and remember Broly's ultimate downfall was his arrogance in both movies (i'm not counting bio-Broly). He just got way to cocky for his own good (that could also explain Gohan knocking him back).
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Saberoph Apr 8 2011, 01:58 PM Post #100
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 But you can't just dismiss the knee to Broli's head, because in DBZ when someone grinds their teeth, is knocked back (No matter how little) and is forced to close their eyes due to the hit. Going by DBZ rules, that's a sign of pain. And that was a weakened SS2 Gohan, that doesn't say much about Movie 10 Broli's power imo, not when a weakened SS2 could do that. To me it seems Broli Zenka was very small, because if Broli was That powerful, then that knee shouldn't even budged Broli, and shouldn't of done a thing. No matter how small it was, that knee did something, and it's something that can't be just dismissed because someone thinks Broli is super strong.
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Nusu Apr 8 2011, 03:59 PM Post #101
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Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr.

I actually think, it was pretty big. I think he hitted (Boo Arc) SSJ 2 Goku with it.
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Saberoph Apr 8 2011, 04:11 PM Post #102
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 Not if a weakened SS2 Gohan was able to do what he did, the first shot was nothing, the second was a surprise, but if that's said about the third, then it's just an excuse to overpower Broli.

Broli can't be that high if that took place. Also people bring up Goten and Trunks knocking Boo back...ok well, did it happen a second time, was The Namek able to knock Frieza back a second time. You can't compare those times to Movie 10 because they only happened once, in Movie 10 it happened more than once.
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Nusu Apr 8 2011, 04:18 PM Post #103
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Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr.

Well, Broly wasn't serious from my view, nor am I a believer that Goku (Boo Arc) could tank it. Haha.

BTW. Frankly, Broly was still holding Gohan down, while Gohan was suddenly charging a knee on his face. Also, when I recall right, when Gohan was charging a neck kick straight to Broly, Broly wasn't effected that hard, as by the punch that was barely charged at all, not to mention that Broly was still holding Gohan's head while that happened, so, we could say by his *****ed up brain that he was just not seeing it coming.
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Saberoph Apr 8 2011, 04:54 PM Post #104
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 Broli had a hold of Gohan's hands, but he wasn't pulling on Gohan though, so Gohan did power out of it though.

No offence, but I find that to be just an excuse to make Broli that powerful. Nobody would say that if it was anyone else.
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Wintergreen5000 Apr 8 2011, 04:59 PM Post #105
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 If Gohan was on Broly's level as you say, then how come he was defeated in three attacks? How come his first attack had no effect on Broly?
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