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| Ussj Future Trunks | Mar 16 2011, 02:16 PM Post #31 |
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" Broly is a legendary super saiyan " so is goku. "its a completely unique transformation" so is gokus form in lord slug movie. "Broly is the Legendary Super Saiyan, not Goku." goku is the legendary saiyan. vegeta admitted goku is the best. goku beats the god killer himself. goku is a ssj4. what has broly done that gives him a legend? nothing. he kept dying, so what? and vegeta called kid trunks legendary "He was born with a PL of 10.000" and kid buu was born with a power of a gazillion. zomg he must be the legendary super majin. "He never trained to achive SSJ" so hes magically buff and magically has perfect ki control? "He has a unique SSJ transformation" until toei randomly says gee broly had a brother! "Being in the LSSJ state his power increases as the battle progresses" been disproven so many times. "Goku didnt defeat him alone" he can barely beat ANYONE alone. except low levels like frieza and king piccolo. "he needed the energy of 3 MSSJ and one Super Namek" maybe he did but he sure as hell didnt get that. he got the power of near dead base saiyans. "because it's actually the name of the form" according to what? games? "At the time, he was unbeatable" so is every villain. "Well, it took the sun to defeat Broly completely' and? the z fighters by this point are past sun buster and into solar buster. goku ssj2 is anyway. "Broly is the Legendary Super Saiyan in the non-canon universe and Goku isn't." they are all legendary super saiyans. thats why king kai called goku legendary in movie 4. "Vegeta calls him the Saiyan of Legend" which he isnt. the saiyan of legend is dead. brolys just a freak with high power. and he still lost so wheres his legendaryness now? forgotten. "Broly´s LSSJ form can only be reached by him" and wheres that stated in your guidebooks? nowhere. if hes supposed to be the same form as the one 1000 years ago, then obviously its not unique to just broly. "goku is just a normal ssj" theres nothing normal about the legendary form that hasnt appeared in 1000 years before goku did it on namek. "Give it a rest" no. "He's freaking amazing for his time. " hes a piece of crap copy of ussj trunks and super 13 molded into one horribly written mess that contradicts itself. " he's a pretty good evil character" he has the worst fighting skills and motivation ive ever seen in a shonen villain, as well as the fact that he cant do anything that other villains cant. hes been shredded of anything interesting. "hes powerfu, sadistic and is insane " you just described every movie villain for dbz. "much better than the likes of Frieza who's just a spoilt little child essentialy" what? frieza actually has character. hes evil just cos he can, and even has something to be afraid of ie losing his power. plus someone who can rule the universe with an iron fist and surpass his dad in power is no spoilt brat. "He could have gotten much more character development." like what? being yet another saiyan out of nowhere when vegeta said him and goku were the only ones left, and broly either dies and is forgotten, or turns good only to keep being overshadowed by goku and gohan. fun... i get the feeling the only reason this crapstain is even remotely popular is BECAUSE hes the super duper undeserved unproven "legend". and cos hes a super saiyan. whats so special about it? why cant they bring back one of the actual ssjs from the past? calling him THE lssj is not only innacurate since theres been more than one, its overhyping someone who has nothing special, and nothing that super 13 didnt do. hes like this wrestler that only little kids with ADD would fall in love with. even hulk is infinitely more interesting cos of the whole jekyll hyde deal. why would this saiyan be any more popular than say, turles? turles is far more awesome and he would have been a better option for "saiyan from gokus past returns for revenge". but he gets ignored when he could have been the new ssj arrival. or even raditz. anything but a waste of a new character. " He has an respectable theortical power scale" even the writers dont know his power or they wouldnt have made him so inconsistent and unclear. |
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| Nusu | Mar 16 2011, 04:11 PM Post #32 |
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"even the writers dont know his power or they wouldnt have made him so inconsistent and unclear." No, because it was never stated, like most of the power-level´s from the Movie´s. I don´t know your point, and i don´t know the reason of this topic. He is the Legendary Super-Saiyan of the non cannon Universe. No matter, how much you hate or downgrade Broly, he is what he is no matter, if he has a bad back story, no matter if he cried because of Goku and now has a grudge against him, it really dosen´t matter. You try to debate something that is stated in the title of the Movie, and stated by Toei themselves, in their view that´s how the Legendary Super-Saiyan looked like. Akira would´ve made it good, he would´ve stated everything. 
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| Saberoph | Mar 16 2011, 04:41 PM Post #33 |
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That he would, because Broli's power is all over the place. I mean in Movie 8 he dominates everyone, it takes a MSS Goku gathering chi from everyone to beast his LSS, but his SS is suppose to be higher than everyone though. Yet in Movie 10, a weakened Base Gohan who could be anywhere from 20-40% weaker than his Cell Games/Movie 8 self, can deflect a chi blast from a SS Broli, and a combined Kamehameha from a weakened MSS Gohan, then a MSS Goten, and a MSS Goku can take him out. And a weakened Base Trunks can take away Broli's connection from his attack that is more powerful than a MSS. His power is all over the place in every way. It's pretty obvious Toei wasn't really paying any real attention to his power. Now I didn't say Broli is weak (Because I know someone will accuse me of saying that), I'm just agreeing that Toei only did a half a** job with being consistent. |
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| + Pyrus | Mar 16 2011, 04:46 PM Post #34 |
 
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The Daizenshuu states that's the name of the form. Maybe I didn't make that distinction clear enough in my original post. There is no other official name for it. Anything else is just fan-made, like Ultra Super Saiyan and Ascended Super Saiyan (although the latter is a general term in the series). |
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| Wintergreen5000 | Mar 16 2011, 04:51 PM Post #35 |
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Well then, let's begin! 1. Goku is 'a' Legendary Super Saiyan in the canon universe. He is not the only Super Saiyan. And even though he reaches Super Saiyan 3, the legend spoken of only alludes to Super Saiyan 1s. And there are many of those. So tecnically there is more than one Legendary Super Saiyan in the canon universe. And the fact that Goku becomes a Super Saiyan first doesn't really matter. He is the first one to become a Super Saiyan "OF LEGEND" in a long time, but he is not the only one to do so. As I said, Vegeta, Goten, Trunks, and Gohan are also all "Saiyans of Legend", or rather, "Legendary Super Saiyans". 2. Goku transformation in the Lord Slug movie was meant to be Super Saiyan in actuality. What happened though is that they came out with the movie before the hair color for Super Saiyan was released. So, this is whyt hey call it "Giji" or "False" Super Saiyan. Super Saiyan nonetheless. So no, apart from the hair color and the lack of pupils and irises it is not really unique. 3. It was stated many times by Vegeta and Paragus that Broly was a Legendary Super Saiyan, an outstanding one. Basically, a Saiyan of Legend among Saiyan of Legends. The fact that Vegeta attributes this name to Broly and not Goku or even he says a lot about who really is the Legendary Super Saiyan in the non-canon universe. And why is this? It's not just because Broly was more powerful than the average villain. It's because of the uniqueness of his form, and the unusual power he inherited from child birth. He also exhibited massive swift growth in power through his young years. He is an exceptional case in these respects, unlike Goku and Vegeta, and this is what makes him stand out as "the Legendary Super Saiyan among Super Saiyans". Later on Goku ends up surpassing him, with Super Saiyan 3, but that was attained from hard training. Broly's power was naturally inherited, and his LSSjin form is unique in the fact that the transformation process is unlike any other known to Super Saiyans. Not only that, but his stamina level far surpasses almost anyone else's. These are reasons meriting him the title instead of Goku. 4. The difference between Kid Buu and Broly is that Buu was made from magic while Broly came about by natures course. Big difference. 5. You could use that word "magically", although I prefer "naturally". 6. It's been about twenty years. I don't think Toei's going to give him a brother. So... 7. Actually, you couldn't be more wrong. Broly's power does increase, but not passed it's maximum threshold. That's why his stamina is unmatched. 8. This I'll probably agree on. Except he defeated Hirudegarn alone. Although, the point still stands, it took more than what he was able to wield by himself to defeat Broly. 9. I am stupified by how you really would believe [after all this time of debating] that Goku could defeat a fresh LSSjin Broly with such little energy. Goku wouldn't have even attained his own initial power, never mind greater heights. And you expect that to defeat Broly? 10. According to the movie itself. According to Vegeta and Paragus. According to the fact that his form is unique to anyone else's. 11. I would agree. 12. Keep in mind that Cell claimed he could destroy the Solar System, but he never did it. Just because someone says something doesn't mean they can actually do it. That alone puts your argument out of commission considering you can't prove anything. Furthermore, just because you might be able to blow something up doesn't mean you can't be killed by it. And if they are past "sun buster" as you call it, then why didn't their Kamehameha just destroy the sun? 13. Exactly. Wow. I wonder why I had to explain this in the first place.\ 14. Broly is a Saiyan of Legend compared to Goku, Vegeta, and everyone else at the time, but not because he killed 37 Super Saiyans, although, he probably could if ther were, but because of his natural given power, unique form, and seemingly endless stamina. But, Vegeta recognized him as the Legendary Super Saiyan when he felt his power. So to Vegeta and Paragus [who knew Broly better than anybody], Broly was indeed the Legendary Super Saiyan. 15. That's just it, it probably wasn't the same form. The Legend was not a non-canonical invention; it is canon, and so, the legendary Super Saiyans of the past were most likely resembling Goku, Vegeta, and Trunks in appearance, not Broly's LSSjin. So, yes, Broly's LSSjin form is unique to him, since, nobody else has ever attained it. And note that the very existence of Broly in the non-canon universe contradicts the canon legend. Because if Broly was canon then what you're saying would most likely be true. So you can't say that someone else used Broly's LSSjin form non-canonically either, since, technically, it never happened in the first place, AND, the universe of Movie 8 only goes as far as the movie itself. 16. You are probably right about that. However, there is something normal about it if there proves to be many people who can reach that form of Super Saiyan, which there are. Broly's form is unique for many reasons, but mostly because he is the only one who can use it. 17. Then let the war continue. 18. Funny. Well, see, no he's not. The only resemblance he bears with SSjin Grade 3 Trunks is they both have bulky muscles. That's about it. Broly is much bigger than Trunks for one, he's freaking huge. Secondly he has no pupils or irises, which Trunks does have while in his SSjin Grade 3. Thirdly, Broly's transformation process into LSSjin is radically different from Trunks' muscle pumping. And fourthly, Trunks doesn't have the stamina Broly has. In fact, his power is noted to rapidly decrease. Broly's power actually revitalizes itself, keeping him fresh almost all the time. So their forms aren't really alike at all. The rest of your statement there is pretty much just a hate note. I can ignore that. 19. I really don't have much to say on this other than his fighting skills are actually quite good. First of all, you can't prove his hand-to-hand skills suck considering everytime he's gone into mortal combat he curbstomped whoever was in his way, with exception of his defeat at the end of Movie 8. Second of all, if you recall his little bout with Gohan in Movie 10, the style of which he dispatched Gohan was nothing short of spectacular. It's obvious through that fight that he does hold skill in hand to hand combat other than just using his size and bulk to overwhelm opponents, which in itself shows skill in a way because it shows he knows how to use his body to full effect to achieve maximum death-toll rates. In my eyes, your view is unsupported while mine quite frankly is evident. OH, and the reason why people think he's such a good villain is precisely because he DOESN'T need a reason to kill people. Kind of like Sylar from Heroes. And his motivation you speak of is not a motivation of his, it's an obsession. 20. This is true. 21. Freeza, regardless of his ambitions is a spoiled brat. Note that he is not Emperor, his father is. Freeza was most likely born into royalty. He was spoiled, and he is a brat. All he cares about is getting his own way. Broly ont he other hand was born into poverty, he and his father had to work for their things. And all Broly cares about, seemingly, is killing people. So, he and Freeza are not the same at all. 22. I won't deny that Raditz and Turles are great Saiyans, and it would be awesome if they returned as super powerful Super Saiyans later on, but wouldn't that just be rehashing what you have just stated to be a retarded plot? It's only because you don't like Broly that you wouldn't want to see him have more screen time, it's not because the plot wouldn't be any different from Raditz or Turles coming back. Although, they could make the plot more interesting obviously. The difference is we have already seen Raditz and Turles. We wouldn't have seen Broly yet if they did a saga in place of a movie about him. Maybe bringing back Raditz and Turles would be a waste of a new character. 23. Well, I'm sure they don't know his exact power, but it's obvious how strong he is. In Movie 8 he's on Complete Cell's [full power] level roughly. In Movie 10 he probably on SSjin 2 Goku's level, if not stronger. |
 
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| NeoSSayajin | Mar 17 2011, 01:44 PM Post #36 |
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Gohan was fairly even when Broly was on his SSJ state, but when he powered up to his LSSJ form he overpowered Gohan easily. I agree with you, LSSJ Broly would rapidly obliterate Gohan, Trunks and Goten. |
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| Saberoph | Mar 17 2011, 02:21 PM Post #37 |
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That's part of what I'm saying, that his power is all over the place. Gohan's MSS shouldn't pose any problems to Movie SS Broli, with the Zenkai he got, and with Gohan getting weaker...I'm sure you get my point. 
Oh yea without a doubt, the movie would have been more interesting if Toei had been consistent with his power too. |
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| NeoSSayajin | Mar 17 2011, 04:07 PM Post #38 |
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Gohan powers up to SSJ2, making Broly to use his LSSJ transformation. |
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| Saberoph | Mar 17 2011, 08:34 PM Post #39 |
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Yea, and his SS2 doesn't pose any threat to LSS Broli, he did stun him several times, yet did not hurt him. But then again that can be chalked up to Broli not expecting it. |
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| + Ryebrid | Mar 18 2011, 08:51 AM Post #40 |
 
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legendary [ˈlɛdʒəndərɪ -drɪ] adj 1. of or relating to legend 2. celebrated or described in a legend or legends 3. very famous or notorious legendary - celebrated in fable or legend By the true definition of Legendary Broly's 'unique' Super Saiyan form is not. It more like a Mutated Super Saiyan form or something, i dunno but i guess i would agree with UFT. I mean calling a movie- "BROLY: The LEGENDARY Super Saiyan!" is really eye catching. |
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| Nusu | Mar 19 2011, 11:34 AM Post #41 |
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Broly could be in the view of Toei the reincarnation of the Legendary Saiyan, but, Broly just went crazy. But, one thing, going by that Goku is not the Legendary Super-Saiyan either. No one is. But you may also see the form as Legendary, the Form itself is Legendary. Since, Vegeta called Broly after he transformed into the LSSJ the Legendary Super-Saiyan. Maybe the Form is the legend. |
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| + Steve | Mar 19 2011, 11:01 PM Post #42 |
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If you're going to argue with Goku being the only legendary super saiyan, what about the others? I would say Goten going SSJ at the age of what 7? is more legendary So in that sense every super saiyan is The Legendary Super Saiyan doesn't quite work |
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| Wintergreen5000 | Mar 24 2011, 05:00 PM Post #43 |
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Not is 'the' "Legendary Super Saiyan", is 'a' "Legendary Super Saiyan". |
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| + Pyrus | Mar 24 2011, 05:21 PM Post #44 |
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This is what's said canonically about Super Saiyan. Chapter: 280 (DBZ 86), P3.1-2 Vegeta: “A Super Saiyan appears once every thousand years… a Saiyan who overcomes the wall which no warrior, no matter how gifted, can overcome…That’s supposed to just be a stupid tradition…And even if the legend were true…only I would have the potential to become a Super Saiyan.” Chapter: 285 (DBZ 91), P4.1-3, P5.2 Jheese: “Su…Su…Super Saiyan…!? Th-the legendary mightiest of warriors…[ ] So h-he’s…The one thing Lord Freeza feared, the Super Saiyan…!!” Ginyu: “You don’t want to kill me? You don’t want any pointless fights…!? The Su-Super Saiyan is supposed to be the strongest warrior in the universe, who loves blood and battle…” |
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| Wintergreen5000 | Mar 24 2011, 06:32 PM Post #45 |
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But there's more than one and that's the point. Canonically, there can't be one "Legendary Super Saiyan". If you were to name one however, it would be Goku because he reached SSjin 3. According to the legend there is only one "Legendary Super Saiyan", yet we know it's speaking of SSjin 1 [not the strongest Super Saiyan under the heavens]and there arises plenty of those. So there is more than one "Legendary Super Saiyan" in actuality. |
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