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All movies in DBZ are not in the main timeline?; I would LOVE TO HEAR THEORIES!
Topic Started: Mar 13 2011, 03:26 AM (7,909 Views)
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It's kool, I was just saying I would rather do those, then try to make the movies fit. :lol:

Kool man, you tc then, i'm not far off myself. :rofl:
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let's see. iirc the only plothole in dead zone is that krillin knows gohan. that's a really minor thing, definitely not worth a whole alternate timeline.

movie 2 doesn't fit the main timeline. but it works with the assumption that goku arrived on earth in time to save everyone from nappa and vegeta.

movie 3 goes with movie 2. goku saved everyone from the saiyans.

movie 4 also goes in with 2 and 3.

movie 5 fits the main timeline, if you either unhax goku and cooler by interpreting cooler's statements, or if you go by a large power increase between trunks and android sagas.

movie 6 piccolo killed cell at gingertown, and then killed the androids. there's no rosat, but enough time has passed that the saiyans have surpassed piccolo again.

movie 7. 17 and 18 either weren't activated, or were shut down by remote instead of fought. there was no cell in this timeline.

movie 8. loosely follows the main timeline.

movie 9. follows the main timeline perfectly. they even tell you through bulma when exactly it happens.

movie 10. follows the main timeline loosely. however, see movie 11. only major possible plothole is goten recognizing goku, and that can be explained by saying that goten knows goku looks like him. also, because the dragonballs were used in this movie, that ends the main timeline for broly, because now bulma can't use the dragonballs in the buu arc.

movie 11. the z fighters stop babidi and vegeta doesn't go majin.

movie 12. ssj gotenks defeats fat buu.

movie 13. follows the main (anime) timeline. happens within 6 months of kid buu's defeat, which is why mr. buu isn't around, because he's still hiding.
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For Movie 12, Gotenks knows the Super Ghost Kamikaze attack, which he only learned in the RoSaT. So there's another inconsistency for you.
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Couldn't you just say that SS3 Gotenks killed Super Boo?
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But SSJ Gotenks got destroyed the first time he fought buu. It has to be post rosat Gotenks.
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MSS Gotenks pre-rosat never fought Fat Boo, that's Base Gotenks.

Unless, you're talking about in the rosat?
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MSS Gotenks pre-rosat never fought Fat Boo, that's Base Gotenks.

Unless, you're talking about in the rosat?
He never did but in the anime we went right towards him only to be seprated at arrvial.
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I know that, but you said this.
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But SSJ Gotenks got destroyed the first time he fought buu. It has to be post rosat Gotenks.

That's why I said what I said, and asked you that.
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Apr 12 2011, 02:29 PM
For Movie 12, Gotenks knows the Super Ghost Kamikaze attack, which he only learned in the RoSaT. So there's another inconsistency for you.
we don't know that's where he leaned it. iirc it never says. however, every fusion has unique attacks, so i just assumed that the galactic donut and kamikaze ghost were gotenks's. the reason i think that it was ssj gotenks vs fat buu, was because gotenks only showed ssj in the movie. if gotenks had ssj3, he would have used it, imo, just like they fused just because they could. why fuse, but then hold back?

but yeah, it could just as easily be ssj3 gotenks vs. super buu, or ultimate gohan vs. super buu. any point that leaves goku dead, and the kids able to fuse, works for the point the timeline branched off.
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Yea, either way it makes sense.
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Most of them don't fit in. You could try and fit in the first Broly movie and the Bojack movie. They don't contradict much as far as I know.
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Which is why the alternate timeline fits, there is always room for out of continuity what ifs if you give some one some room. As far as i see it? every movie past world strongest has a reason to be a what if. Even alot of the facts had changed. Original ova's that get strung together eventually as they run out of ideas or people literally write in and start to complain about nothing making sense.
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why past worlds strongest? actually, all the movies that DO fit the main timeline easily are after worlds strongest. and the movies weren't ova's that were strung together, or anything like that. each movie was created as one whole, and was planned out just like any episode. and none of the movies were originally part of the anime. only 1 is even referenced in the anime, and that's dead zone.
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

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Apr 12 2011, 07:35 PM
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For Movie 12, Gotenks knows the Super Ghost Kamikaze attack, which he only learned in the RoSaT. So there's another inconsistency for you.
we don't know that's where he leaned it. iirc it never says. however, every fusion has unique attacks, so i just assumed that the galactic donut and kamikaze ghost were gotenks's. the reason i think that it was ssj gotenks vs fat buu, was because gotenks only showed ssj in the movie. if gotenks had ssj3, he would have used it, imo, just like they fused just because they could. why fuse, but then hold back?

but yeah, it could just as easily be ssj3 gotenks vs. super buu, or ultimate gohan vs. super buu. any point that leaves goku dead, and the kids able to fuse, works for the point the timeline branched off.
It's said he learned most (maybe all, can't remember) of his crazy techniques in the RoSaT, so I would think that's where he gained that stuff.
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