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All movies in DBZ are not in the main timeline?; I would LOVE TO HEAR THEORIES!
Topic Started: Mar 13 2011, 03:26 AM (7,911 Views)
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Movie 1: The main problem is that at the start of DB Z Krillin doesnt know who Gohan is. And when Piccolo and Goku team up against Radditz Piccolo says its the first time they fight together.

Movie 2: Cant fit in the main timeline, this is after the Saiyan Saga but Goku is healthy and on Earth, Bulma, Krillin and Gohan are on Earth also when they should be in Namek. Piccolo is alive when he should be dead. Also this cant be post Namek because Goku can barely handle Kaioken x4 and he doesnt turn SSJ.
This may happen in an alternate timeline where Goku arrives earlier to the battlefield and no-one dies versus Nappa.

Movie 3. Same as Movie 2, this cant be before Namek, everyone is alive and chilling on Earth.
Post Namek cant be also, Goku cant do Kaioken x20 or became SSJ.

Movie 4: Same as Movies 2 and 3. This can be argued that happens in Trunks Tineline though, if we support the argue that Goku in fact became a SSJ. Vegeta is not on Earth since he is training in space, this may happen in the 3 years period waiting for the androids arrival.
Although my personal opinion is that this happens in the same timeline that Movies 2 and 3.

Movie 5: Main problems: Cooler seeks revenge due to his brothers demise on Namek, but Goku is on Earth which that means that Frieza and King Cold are already dead, but Cooler doesnt know this. Goku needed to enter a rage to became a SSJ, which contradicts the flow of the series due to Goku training his transformation in Yardrat before coming back.

Note: Its not implied that Cooler wants revenge due to Frieza's defeat ON NAMEK, it could be argued that he already knows that Frieza and King Cold are dead but due to his rivalry with his brother he considers a shame on his family that a Saiyan killed his brother, the supposed most powerful being in the universe. If this can be proved, this happens on Trunks Timeline where Goku returns from Yardrat and uses IT to arrive on time and kill Mecha Frieza and King Cold. The SSJ transformation due to rage can be supported by saying that it was made for dramatic climax.

Although these things, my personal opinion is that this happens in a paralell universe.

Later i will continue with Movies 6-13.
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The Bojack movie in my opinion is the only one that fits the main timeline perfectly. There is no contradictions.
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Movie 6: Main plothole: Dende is Guardian on Earth, meaning that Piccolo is a Super Namek, the problem is that he should be stronger than Goku and Vegeta but he has problems dealing with the Cyclopian Guards.
These may happen a day before the Cell Games, because Dende was named Guardian a day before that event, although Gohan should be taller than Krillin and could become a SSJ, so it doesnt fit neither.

The only possible explanation is that these happens in an alternate timeline. It can happen in one of the known timelines of DB, maybe the second one.
Or this may happen in an alternate timeline where Piccolo killed Imperfect Cell on Gingertown and defeated the androids, so no RoSaT.

Movie 7: This happens in the second timeline of DB.
The Androids 17 and 18 are defeated by Goku, Piccolo or Vegeta. There is no Cell, so the Z Fighters are chilling with their friends and family.

It cant happen in the main timeline due to Goku being healthy, the Androids and Cell are nowhere to be seen, and it seems that the world is in peace.

Movie 8: There are countless of discussions in these forum. But it somehow fit in the 10 days wait before the Cell Games.

Movie 9: Some weeks after the Cell Games.

Movie 10: Minor Problems: Videl knows about the Dragon Balls and Goten recognices his father. Taking out these 2 points, it may happen some days before the World Tournament.

Movie 11: It doesnt fit in the main timeline. Goten and Trunks cant fuse, meaning that these happens before the World Tournament, but it contradicts the plot since 18 wants Hercule to give her the money they arranged in the World Tournament finals.
This may happen in an alternate timeline where the Z Fighters prevented Boo's resurrection.

Movie 12: Cant fit into the main timeline. Goku and Vegeta are dead, which means this happens in the day that both of them were in the afterlife, altough they were busy watching what happened on Earth with Boo, making the main plothole because Earth is in total peace.
This may occur in an alternate timeline were Goku or Gotenks somehow managed to defeat Boo. So Goku went back to the afterlife and Vegeta was no resurrected due to the mass killing in the World Tournament Arena.

Movie 13: Fits perfectly after Kid Boo, Earth is in peace, Mr. Boo is hidden, waiting for the Dragon Balls to wish that everyone forgets him.


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Mar 13 2011, 04:41 AM
movie 10 would have to be in movie 8's timeline, of course. it's also the best argument for movie 8 being main timeline. goku's dead and gohan's ssj2, so movie 8 had a cell games. movie 10 of course doesn't fit exactly, because the dragon balls were used, but were used less than a month later in the series. that's the only major issue with movie 10. so, it goes like this

goku arrives on time in the saiyan saga, saving everybody: movies 2, 3, and 4.

goku kills frieza on namek, doesn't really matter exactly where, then goes to yardrat and the series goes from there: movie 5, 6.
also, movie 5 could still fit in the main timeline, if cooler didn't know that frieza survived and came to earth.
movie 6 would be post android saga, without cell. piccolo is fused with kami, and dende is the earth's gaurdian, but the saiyans never used the rosat because cell didn't exist. given enough time, they passed up piccolo again.
movie 7 has no cell, again, with 17/18 being deactivated, so no namek fusion or rosat trips. still quite a bit past the abdroid saga, though.
movie 8,10 and 11 follow the main timeline loosely up until the tournament, but the z fighters stop babidi before vegeta get's possessed, so no buu.
movie 12 happens if gotenks beats fat buu, so goku and vegeta don't get to come back, gohan doesn't get ultimate, the old kai doesn't get released, etc.
movies 1,9, and 13 follow the main timeline closely, with only minor errors.
The only movies that fit into the timeline without messing up continuity, are the dead zone, and fusion reborn. In the meantime, Ive been thinking, the in between movies, which includes pretty much all, are what ifs? if cell never existed how did bojack get released? if broly came through how come they are at tehir weakest super saiyan levels? The alternate trunks invlovement in killing frieza was paramount to everything that happened in effect creating a whole new timeline off tot the side where all these events occured. Super 13 made no sense what so ever. It doesnt fit anywhere, especially since 13 proclaimed he was the last bastion of doc gero's efforts, considering cell never existed though thanks to trunks fixing his mistake and not getting killed doing it this time. His initial death is what made all of this happen in the first place. I mean how else do you explain him running back and forth to an alternate timeline? gods intervention? getting the chance to set things right in a world where goku dies of heart disease and everyone is murdered by 17/18?. If i remember right when trunks confronted baby cell he was in the battle suit, and had long hair. But when trunks officially went back he had cut his hair and put the sword back on? (dbkai). In other words they are all what ifs connected to the interference and apparent death of trunks in the beginnning. Cell DID exist in our world but as you guys already know he was destroyed in the initial fire. In the alternate none of that happened so he finally hatched and survived. Only to find that 17/18 had left the planet and there was nothing left but trunks coming back from his original mission. Broly should have happened in my opinion, which would explain the loss of power, no time chamber.
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Mar 13 2011, 06:27 PM
The Bojack movie in my opinion is the only one that fits the main timeline perfectly. There is no contradictions.
not possible as bojack being unbound is the biggest contradiction produced. The death of king kai and the breaking of the universal seal he was put in is the reason for him even being here. Goku was dead in that movie remember? Bojack is the biggest contradiciton of all.
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Yeah, I don't see how Movie 9 is a contradiction at all. It fits everything we know, except for the fact that Trunks has a Mastered Super Saiyan aura. Another thing that's off is that the henchmen were fine with fighting Gohan but when Vegeta showed up they backed off. To some that would imply Vegeta > Gohan, which defies what we know in the canon continuity.
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I don't even consider Trunks' MSS aura to be a contradiction, because it would make sense that Trunks fully Masters SS between No. 17 and 18 and Cell imo.
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no. canon trunks is mssj when he fights cell in his timeline. in bojack unbound, though, he has a regular ssj aura. as for vegeta, yeah, that's an issue. bojack's henchmen, besides the one trunks killed, were all mid range mssj level in base, from what we saw. their transformed states, though- assuming (bido and bujin?) could transform- were still well below even a low end ssj2, since even bojack himself didn't make ssj2 level, and he was high end mssj in base. their transformations simply aren't that impressive.
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Yea, the Vegeta thing does pose a problem...Maybe they wanted Bojack to embarrass Vegeta?

That's all I can think of. idk lol.
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ok, did you guys miss the part when i mentioned that bojack wouldnt be there unless king kai died? how did any of you miss this? how is it you are discussing vegeta when the entire storyline couldnt have happened without the death of cell on king kais planet? king kai one of the seven kais that rules the galaxy under the supreme and elder kai's? sealed bojack and his henchmen away in their version of the phantom zone? huh, guess no one cares about whats really going on and why things are how they are. Movie 9 couldnt have happened without cell, period.


anyone would be scared of vegeta, not knowing what gohan can do, he was just a little boy after all. vegeta was more than strong enough to take them all anyways, except bojack, and his power advancement is phenominal, he could smack broly around I bet. Goku always helps out anyways, and gohan vowed to never go ssj2 again until majin buu, so its kind of irrelevant with the wishful thinking about him not going ssj2 on bojack when he even wouldnt on broly years later and still almost beat him.

I wonder what it feels like to be ssj2 in your base form? Does anyone here remember if it was mentioned about his ss form being weaker than his base ultimate form?
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Anyone thought Piccolo hearing was a bit haxed in Movie 8?
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ok, did you guys miss the part when i mentioned that bojack wouldnt be there unless king kai died? how did any of you miss this? how is it you are discussing vegeta when the entire storyline couldnt have happened without the death of cell on king kais planet? king kai one of the seven kais that rules the galaxy under the supreme and elder kai's? sealed bojack and his henchmen away in their version of the phantom zone? huh, guess no one cares about whats really going on and why things are how they are. Movie 9 couldnt have happened without cell, period.

So what exactly is the contradiction?
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vegeta was more than strong enough to take them all anyways, except bojack, and his power advancement is phenominal,

I doubt that, at least from a canon point of view. Gohan was having trouble with them all. There's no way Vegeta, who should be around half Gohan's power level, could handle them all, as cool as he is.
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he could smack broly around I bet.

Not a chance. He'd be rolled.
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and gohan vowed to never go ssj2 again until majin buu

When did he do this?
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so its kind of irrelevant with the wishful thinking about him not going ssj2 on bojack when he even wouldnt on broly years later and still almost beat him.

Except he did go Super Saiyan 2 against Broly.
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Anyone thought Piccolo hearing was a bit haxed in Movie 8?

Yeah, especially since that never comes up again and/or helps him in the actual series.
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Yea, i'm not getting it either, I don't see how it's a contradiction because in the series King Kai did die from Cell exploding on his planet.
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Movie 9 fits pretty much perfectly, the fact that we don't know what happened after the Cell Games, makes this Movie, equal with the Bardock Special, which Akira would consider cannon.
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