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| Chuck Norris vs Bruce Lee; The Ultimate(theoretical) clash of the super powers | |
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| Arkadom | Mar 6 2011, 06:22 PM Post #46 |
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Fulgore,You are simply going off topic and making a rather low-level and honestly ****ed up arguement that is REALLY just laughable,Ali has nothing to do with this,and Lee would leave dents in him for life in a fight,any man with a brain knows that. I think Your just far to confident in Your own judgement,and because you like ali,you think he could win,Lee would win,that is fact. As for CN vs BL,Lee takes the cake. |
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| Fulgore | Mar 6 2011, 06:29 PM Post #47 |
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You're off base. NG brought this out by saying name one fight who'd go toe to toe with Lee.. NOW you need to start READING before you start making outlandish claims like this. Also, I hate Ali. I respect his ability as a fighter. FACT? SUPPORT YOUR ARGUMENT. WHOS STARTING ***** NOW? @NG He didn't master any martial art. He learned a few things from books on Judo. He learned from techniques from boxing and Wrestling. He fenced. He's by no means a 'master'. JKD was a philosophy. "Use what works" He borrowed lots of things from Boxing, Fencing, Judo, Wing Chun, and wrestling to name the primaries.. That's quite a task. He also never ever competed in ANY tournament or street fight/NHB contest after he established JKD. He was not a tested fighter.. You're being ignorant by saying otherwise Edited by Fulgore, Mar 6 2011, 06:39 PM.
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| Naruto-Gogeta | Mar 6 2011, 06:39 PM Post #48 |
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You make Bruce Lee out to be some punk who had no clue about martial arts. You are wrong. There is nothing else to it. You completely ignored Pelador's post. Did you not see it? No documented fights.... What? WHAT? Bruce Lee.... Slower than Muhammmad Ali? No offence but there is clear evidence that Bruce Lee is faster than Muhammad Ali. If you think that Bruce Lee has nothing to show for except movies, then I degress. I'm not talking to you anymore. The man invented a legit martial art and mastered many others. He was never beaten in a street fight and yes, is a tested veteran seeing as he did fight a martial arts master and beat him in 3 minutes. Muhammad Ali would never suceed in a street fight with only boxing to help him. In a street fight you need power, speed, grapples, kicking, elbows, knees etc. The only thing Ali has is speed. He can't kick, elbow, grapple, wrestle, knee, or do anything besides throwing punches. And they're not even physically powerful, just sharp, fast and snappy. Bruce Lee would just kick him in the stomach. He would just superkick his knee. Bruce Lee would leave with bruises and cuts. Ali would leave with broken joints and broken bones. Ali wouldn't KO Lee in a street fight. It would be too short and he's not powerful enough. Ali is not a one hit KO puncher. While Bruce Lee can use every part of his body as a weapon. Hell, he can even resort to dirty tactics if he loses. Which isn't likely in the first place. If Muhammad Ali starts to beat him (which he wouldn't) a simple kick in the balls would do the trick. It's a street fight. Anything goes. |
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| Fulgore | Mar 6 2011, 06:41 PM Post #49 |
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What are you? A troll NG? READ WHAT I SAID BEFORE YOU START MAKING OUTLANDISH CLAIMS. You presented NO evidence to support your argument. Where's this proof that Bruce lee was sooo fast? It doesn't exist. Show me your movie. Go ahead.
so.. where is it? Edited by Fulgore, Mar 6 2011, 06:41 PM.
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| Arkadom | Mar 6 2011, 06:44 PM Post #50 |
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Fine,Jiggalo. I read through every post of all 4 pages,and while NG started the topic in general,You stood by your beliefs of something that is so off topic its outta reach. Lee,vs Ali,is simple,in a street fight,lee being smaller and faster means easier evasion,note evasion. Lee can use around 12 different forms against Ali,who can use just 1. Lee could put down an ox with time and observation,Ali would be this ox,simple,strength doesent equal victory. Simple fact is that Lee would win,if you think strength wins you need to go through grade school,high school,college and university,or anything that can teach you,because if you belive strength is a winning factor you need to think of street fighting,alot,hard. Lee would win,not hands down,but he would win. As for Norris vs Lee,again,Norris isent in Lee's league,noone but Lee was in Lee's league. Lee would win,Norris I respect,but he is too hyped,Lee wins. Edited by Arkadom, Mar 6 2011, 06:46 PM.
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| Fulgore | Mar 6 2011, 06:49 PM Post #51 |
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Great job, you just discredited your ENTIRE argument by calling me a name in your FIRST Sentence. That's really mature dude Bottom line, most everything we have you are basing off Heresay. That's what we have to go off Bruce Lee. HERESAY. I hear that Moses parted the Red Sea Edited by Fulgore, Mar 6 2011, 06:51 PM.
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| Arkadom | Mar 6 2011, 06:52 PM Post #52 |
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Actually,its quite mature,calling You said name,not being too offensive ro anything before my arguement,lol. Your just provoking more arguements,smart one,You may as well accept fact and actually read the rest of my post,and then,as I said,accept facts. |
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| Fulgore | Mar 6 2011, 06:55 PM Post #53 |
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No, it's NOT Mature. You need to just leave the topic if you can't keep things civil. |
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| Naruto-Gogeta | Mar 6 2011, 06:56 PM Post #54 |
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Lee was involved in competitive fights, some of which were arranged while others were not. Dan Inosanto stated, "There's no doubt in my mind that if Bruce Lee had gone into pro boxing, he could easily have ranked in the top three in the lightweight division or junior-welterweight division".[38] Lee defeated three-time champion British boxer Gary Elms by way of knockout in the third round in the 1958 Hong Kong Inter-School amateur Boxing Championships by using Wing Chun traps and high/low-level straight punches.[39] The following year, Lee became a member of the "Tigers of Junction Street," and was involved in numerous gang-related street fights. "In one of his last encounters, while removing his jacket the fellow he was squaring off against sucker punched him and blackened his eye. Bruce flew into a rage and went after him, knocking him out, breaking his opponent's arm. The police were called as a result".[40] The incident took place on a Hong Kong rooftop at 10 pm on Wednesday, 29 April 1959.[41] In 1962, Lee knocked out Uechi, a Japanese black belt Karateka, in 11 seconds in a 1962 Full-Contact match in Seattle. It was refereed by Jesse Glover. The incident took place in Seattle at a YMCA handball court. Taki Kamura says the battle lasted 10 seconds in contrary to Hart's statement.[42] Ed Hart states "The karate man arrived in his gi (uniform), complete with black belt, while Bruce showed up in his street clothes and simply took off his shoes. The fight lasted exactly 11 seconds – I know because I was the time keeper – and Bruce had hit the guy something like 15 times and kicked him once. I thought he'd killed him".[43] In Oakland, California in 1964 at Chinatown, Lee had a controversial private match with Wong Jack Man, a direct student of Ma Kin Fung known for his mastery of Xingyiquan, Northern Shaolin, and Tai chi chuan. According to Lee, the Chinese community issued an ultimatum to him to stop teaching non-Chinese; when he refused to comply he was challenged to a combat match with Wong, the arrangement being that if Lee lost he would have to shut down his school while if he won then Lee would be free to teach Caucasians or anyone else.[40] Wong denies this, stating that he requested to fight Lee after Lee issued an open challenge during one of Lee's demonstrations at a Chinatown theatre, and that Wong himself did not discriminate against Caucasians or other non-Chinese.[44] "That paper had all the names of the sifu from Chinatown, but they don't scare me". — Bruce Lee[45] Individuals known to have witnessed the match included Cadwell, James Lee (Bruce Lee's associate, no relation) and William Chen, a teacher of Tai chi chuan. Wong and witness William Chen stated that the fight lasted an unusually long 20–25 minutes.[44] According to Bruce Lee, Linda Lee Cadwell, and James Yimm Lee, the fight lasted 3 minutes with a decisive victory for Bruce. "The fight ensued, it was a no holds barred fight, it took three minutes. Bruce got this guy down to the ground and said 'do you give up?' and the man said he gave up". — Linda Lee Cadwell[40] Wong Jack Man published his own account of the battle in the Chinese Pacific Weekly, a Chinese-language newspaper in San Francisco, which contained another challenge to Lee for a public rematch.[44] Lee had no reciprocation to Wong's article nor were there any further public announcements by either, but Lee had continued to teach Caucasians. Lee's eventual celebrity put him in the path of a number of men who sought to make a name for themselves by causing a confrontation with Lee. A challenger had invaded Lee's private home in Hong Kong by trespassing into the backyard to incite Lee in combat. Lee finished the challenger violently with a kick, infuriated over the home invasion. Describing the incident, Herb Jackson states, One time one fellow got over that wall, got into his yard and challenged him and he says 'how good are you?' And Bruce was poppin mad. He [Bruce] says 'he gets the idea, this guy, to come and invade my home, my own private home, invade it and challenge me.' He said he got so mad that he gave the hardest kick he ever gave anyone in his life.[46] Bob Wall, USPK karate champion and Lee's co-star in Enter the Dragon, recalled one encounter that transpired after a film extra kept taunting Lee. The extra yelled that Lee was "a movie star, not a martial artist," that he "wasn't much of a fighter". Lee answered his taunts by asking him to jump down from the wall he was sitting on. Wall described Lee's opponent as "a gang-banger type of guy from Hong Kong," a "damned good martial artist," and observed that he was fast, strong, and bigger than Bruce.[47] This kid was good. He was strong and fast, and he was really trying to punch Bruce's brains in. But Bruce just methodically took him apart.[48] Bruce kept moving so well, this kid couldn't touch him...then all of a sudden, Bruce got him and rammed his ***** with the wall and swept him up, proceeding to drop him and plant his knee into his opponent's chest, locked his arm out straight, and nailed him in the face repeatedly". — Bob Wall[49] Stole that from Wikipedia. It's also Pelador's post which you cared to ignore. And also, I didn't read your post as when I was writing mine you posted it.  Simple mistake not trolling.  Oh, and that video? Well, sure, he it is. But let me take some other quotes from Wikipedia before you watch the film.  Lee's striking speed from three feet with his hands down by his side reached five hundredths of a second. In a speed demonstration, Lee could snatch a dime off a person's open palm before they could close it, and leave a penny behind. Lee could cause a 300-lb (136.08 kg) bag to fly towards and thump the ceiling with a sidekick. (None of Ali's bags reached 200lbs). Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MObvMKtfL1w Another video: http://www.youtube.com/watchv=2mxwIC8lrv0&feature=related And another one in case you still can't see what's in front of you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9GRApeZ-_w&feature=related Oh, and here's Bruce Lee doing full contact sparring: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOFCMvb43jA&feature=related |
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| Arkadom | Mar 6 2011, 06:59 PM Post #55 |
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Keep things civil?! Haha,Im not the one posting in caps often and attacking the truth,Im being more civil than You,fulgore. I suggest You stop being so self indulgent,accept the facts,and stop just scouting through posts finding personal flaws so You can attack someone. That,is immature. If Im being immature,Your being childish.If You see it that way,You may as well be the one leaving,im no idiot,and dont rage quit,if you were hoping for entertainment. If Your going to stand by rather unlikely beleifs Ali would beat Lee in streetfighting You should read every sentance of information about Lee,and then read every sentance about Ali,compare them,and then tell me Lee would lose. For the last time,Lee wins,not hands down,but Lee wins. |
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| Fulgore | Mar 6 2011, 07:00 PM Post #56 |
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NG@ Where's the fight? Sparring /=/ Street Fighting? Also, Interviews are heresay. Not documentation of an actual fight. You know, I once beat up Mike Tyson, ask my friend. You are not providing me with any definitive proof right now NG, you're providing me with useless facts about a man who never actually fought anyone with documentation of that. The sooner you admit that the sooner you can stop wasting my time Edited by Fulgore, Mar 6 2011, 07:02 PM.
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| Naruto-Gogeta | Mar 6 2011, 07:02 PM Post #57 |
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Only difference is Bruce Lee's fights were watched by almost one hundred people in the sports hall where they took the place at the time. Smart move their buddy. EDIT: LOL! I'm actually laughing at you right now. Did you even read my post? They were documented fights that people saw. Edited by Naruto-Gogeta, Mar 6 2011, 07:04 PM.
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The blonde girl with the black lips turned to Valkyrie. "We know," she said. "We've seen the future. We know you're going to kill the world..." Release it Gohan! Release everything! Remember all the pain he's caused... The people he's hurt... NOW MAKE THAT YOUR POWER!!!! JOIN MY BOXING FORUM NOW! http://s4.zetaboards.com/Boxing_Forum/index/
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| Fulgore | Mar 6 2011, 07:04 PM Post #58 |
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Oh? Where's the records of this fight? Surely they would have taken a video of this legendary fighter~! Also, you have yet to provide me with proof of him ACTUALLY competing. Look up the word Spar if you're confused to what that means :\ Edited by Fulgore, Mar 6 2011, 07:04 PM.
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| Naruto-Gogeta | Mar 6 2011, 07:08 PM Post #59 |
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OK, I guess I'll have to copy and paste more of what I posted as you keep ignoring it.  Lee defeated three-time champion British boxer Gary Elms by way of knockout in the third round in the 1958 Hong Kong Inter-School amateur Boxing Championships by using Wing Chun traps and high/low-level straight punches. The following year, Lee became a member of the "Tigers of Junction Street," and was involved in numerous gang-related street fights. "In one of his last encounters, while removing his jacket the fellow he was squaring off against sucker punched him and blackened his eye. Bruce flew into a rage and went after him, knocking him out, breaking his opponent's arm. The police were called as a result".[40] The incident took place on a Hong Kong rooftop at 10 pm on Wednesday, 29 April 1959. In 1962, Lee knocked out Uechi, a Japanese black belt Karateka, in 11 seconds in a 1962 Full-Contact match in Seattle. It was refereed by Jesse Glover. The incident took place in Seattle at a YMCA handball court. Taki Kamura says the battle lasted 10 seconds in contrary to Hart's statement.[42] Ed Hart states "The karate man arrived in his gi (uniform), complete with black belt, while Bruce showed up in his street clothes and simply took off his shoes. The fight lasted exactly 11 seconds – I know because I was the time keeper – and Bruce had hit the guy something like 15 times and kicked him once. I thought he'd killed him". Bob Wall, USPK karate champion and Lee's co-star in Enter the Dragon, recalled one encounter that transpired after a film extra kept taunting Lee. The extra yelled that Lee was "a movie star, not a martial artist," that he "wasn't much of a fighter". Lee answered his taunts by asking him to jump down from the wall he was sitting on. Wall described Lee's opponent as "a gang-banger type of guy from Hong Kong," a "damned good martial artist," and observed that he was fast, strong, and bigger than Bruce. This kid was good. He was strong and fast, and he was really trying to punch Bruce's brains in. But Bruce just methodically took him apart.[48] Bruce kept moving so well, this kid couldn't touch him...then all of a sudden, Bruce got him and rammed his ***** with the wall and swept him up, proceeding to drop him and plant his knee into his opponent's chest, locked his arm out straight, and nailed him in the face repeatedly". — Bob Wall Edited by Naruto-Gogeta, Mar 6 2011, 07:09 PM.
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The blonde girl with the black lips turned to Valkyrie. "We know," she said. "We've seen the future. We know you're going to kill the world..." Release it Gohan! Release everything! Remember all the pain he's caused... The people he's hurt... NOW MAKE THAT YOUR POWER!!!! JOIN MY BOXING FORUM NOW! http://s4.zetaboards.com/Boxing_Forum/index/
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| Nusu | Mar 6 2011, 07:10 PM Post #60 |
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Excuse me? You say that Bruce Lee is no martial artist and practically a punk. In other words i could say the same about you. From 3 weeks(IIRC?) Bruce was in a chinese hollywood movie. He didn't actually even CARE about martial arts till he got his ***** whooped in Hong Kong because he was a pretty boy actor. He was fourteen and met Revered Wing Chun Grandmaster Ip Man(Who NG says bruce lee would own ahahaha) Bruce lee showed eagerness and aptitude to learn. But IP man was forced to drop Bruce because he was a punk and would continiously get into fights in HK. He never mastered Wing Chun. He never mastered Judo, he never masted wrestling, or boxing. He also never EVER has a documented fight. Go look for some documentation on Ali, Oyama, Helio Gracie. All are documented and true TESTED veterans. I didn´t said he mastered Wing Chun i said he got trained by Yip-Man which is actually true, he wasn´t a full time actor though, he was more a street fighter in most of his years in Hong-Kong. He never was master in anything, but he got influenced the most by Wing Chun, so much is stated. He was trained in this styles- Western Boxing, Épée fencing, Judo, Praying Mantis Kung-fu, Hsing-I, and Jujitsu, Choy Li Fut and Wu Tai Chi Chuan. You are keep playing the card that he never mastered them, but he was trained in them. And helped making his Martial Arts style Jeet Kune Do. You need to stop, mentioning the legends of Martial Arts. Fact is, Bruce will win against a fight against Muhammad Ali, no matter how you put it, Bruce was an great Martial Artist he used all the things he learned and trained and putted them into one great style, Jeet-Kune-Do. Edited by Nusu, Mar 6 2011, 07:16 PM.
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