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Chuck Norris vs Bruce Lee; The Ultimate(theoretical) clash of the super powers
Topic Started: Mar 5 2011, 02:42 PM (4,804 Views)
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This quote of yours implies that don't believe Bruce Lee to be a real martial artist and you are now in fact just covering yourself.

"Wong Fei Hong is an example of a REAL Martial artist"

By putting "real" in caps you imply Bruce Lee was not a martial artist.


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This quote of yours implies that don't believe Bruce Lee to be a real martial artist and you are now in fact just covering yourself.

"Wong Fei Hong is an example of a REAL Martial artist"

By putting "real" in caps you imply Bruce Lee was not a martial artist.
Bruce Lee didn't live long enough, or do enough to establish himself as the kind of legend that you guys are painting him out to be

He was good, but by far not the best in history
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Because I said he wasn't a real martial artist?

LOL I said he wasn't a legendary Martial Artist.

Way to put words in my mouth.

@NG No? Saying that is just ignorant
I've watched alot of Bruce Lee clips. Enough to know that in a fight he would beat any single martial artist or fighter that I know of. Tell me of a single martial artist or fighter that would beat a prime Bruce Lee. And tell me how.
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Because I said he wasn't a real martial artist?

LOL I said he wasn't a legendary Martial Artist.

Way to put words in my mouth.

@NG No? Saying that is just ignorant
I've watched alot of Bruce Lee clips. Enough to know that in a fight he would beat any single martial artist or fighter that I know of. Tell me of a single martial artist or fighter that would beat a prime Bruce Lee. And tell me how.
Mas Oyama.

Hands down.

Also, if you want to talk about how great a martial artist he is..

Remember he was an ACTOR before he was a martial artist.

ALSO.

Ali is also a VERY popular subject on someone who'd WHOOP Bruce Lee's *****. If you can't understand why you should probably stop arguing with me :errm:
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I've studied boxing for at least 5 years now and have seen all of Ali's fights, save his first three. And I've also studied Bruce Lee for 11 years now and have seen most recorded clips of Bruce Lee in action. He would of beaten Ali hands down in a no holds barred fight.

Ali wasn't the type of person for street fights.

Oh, and Mas Oyama.... I have to say you got me with that one. Yeah, he'd beat Bruce Lee.

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Oh please, why do you compare Mas Oyama to Bruce Lee? You try to hard now. We all know Mas Oyama would beat Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris.

But thatīs not the point here is it? This is Bruce Lee VS Chuck Norris and not Mas Oyama VS Bruce Lee. Bruce Lee was one of the greatest Martial Artists and so was Mas Oyama, Chuck Norris is just overrated, and there is a point were itīs funny with the jokes about him and there is one were itīs not. Chuck Norris was no-where near Bruce Lee or not even close not EVEN close to Mas Oyama, Bruce Lee whops Chuck Norris bad and he whops "Fat" Segal even faster. Thatīs a fact.

Also, for the record nobody here said Bruce Lee is an unstoppable Martial-Artist and the best, we just said he is one of the greatest, so donīt compare Great Mas Oyama to Great Bruce Lee. Hazzah!
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The point was Bruce Lee is not a LEGENDARY MARTIAL ARTIST. Legendary Actor MA? Hell yes. I owe him big time for his contributions to cinema.. but would I ever put him as a legendary MA? No.

Also, Ali would hammer the ever living ***** outa bruce. Bruce was a TINY TINY man. Weighing very little, if it was boxing he'd be a feather weight/light weight. Now, a 'street fight' whatever the hell that is would mean Bruce could kick. Great, this is a very flawed argument, the amount of effort a kick requires is substanially greater than a punch. No kick bruce lee has is going to be faster than a punch of Ali's, plus ali has reach on Bruce regardless of him kicking. So Bruce kicks, Ali pops him in the face 3 times for it.

That leaves Bruce going up to punch, great. Ali's been hammered by men MUCH bigger than him. He also weighed 236 in his prime. Bruce Lee had this funny problem with putting heavier guys down because he was missing what he called "Stopping power" because he was a tiny guy. Combined with the fact that Ali's reach was superior and his footing was great.. Poor Bruce.
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Mar 6 2011, 04:54 PM
The point was Bruce Lee is not a LEGENDARY MARTIAL ARTIST. Legendary Actor MA? Hell yes. I owe him big time for his contributions to cinema.. but would I ever put him as a legendary MA? No.

Also, Ali would hammer the ever living ***** outa bruce. Bruce was a TINY TINY man. Weighing very little, if it was boxing he'd be a feather weight/light weight. Now, a 'street fight' whatever the hell that is would mean Bruce could kick. Great, this is a very flawed argument, the amount of effort a kick requires is substanially greater than a punch. No kick bruce lee has is going to be faster than a punch of Ali's, plus ali has reach on Bruce regardless of him kicking. So Bruce kicks, Ali pops him in the face 3 times for it.

That leaves Bruce going up to punch, great. Ali's been hammered by men MUCH bigger than him. He also weighed 236 in his prime. Bruce Lee had this funny problem with putting heavier guys down because he was missing what he called "Stopping power" because he was a tiny guy. Combined with the fact that Ali's reach was superior and his footing was great.. Poor Bruce.
Ali was 216 in his prime.

EDIT: Oh, and the fact you think Ali stands a single chance againt Bruce Lee is hilarious. Size is not everything.
And I'd love to see Ali pop Bruce Lee in the face 3 or 4 times after he kicks them, last time I checked the legs were longer than the arms.
Bruce Lee knows karate, kung fu, boxing, kickboxing, wrestling, etc.

Ali knows boxing. They are absolutely incomparable. And his footing was great? Jeez, I'd to see that great footing of his after a taking a Bruce Lee superkick to the kidney. Or perhaps after Lee is after taking his legs out from under him and start to strangle him? Or maybe he could just kick him in the balls? Because in a street fight this is allowed.

In a street fight, anything goes. Bruce Lee never entered tournaments for a reason. Why? If he did, he wouldn't be able to use his full potential.

Lee invented a martial art. Lee could do pushups with his finger and a thumb. Lee kick and punch so fast you couldn't see it on camera. Lee got a serious back injury and was immobile for many months and came back as better fighter.

Ali didn't invent a martial art. Ali couldn't do pushups with his finger and a thumb. Ali couldn't kick or punch so fast that you couldn't see it on camera. Ali had no injuries in that 3 year period, and came back without his footwork, reflexes and lost much of his speed.

Ali is the second best heavyweight boxer of all time, second only to the Brown Bomber Joe Louis. But Bruce Lee is in a league of his own and the only person I know of who could beat him is Mas Oyama, somebody who killed bulls with his hand. Enough said. Lee would brutalise Ali.
Edited by Naruto-Gogeta, Mar 6 2011, 05:48 PM.
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Mar 6 2011, 04:54 PM
The point was Bruce Lee is not a LEGENDARY MARTIAL ARTIST. Legendary Actor MA? Hell yes. I owe him big time for his contributions to cinema.. but would I ever put him as a legendary MA? No.

Also, Ali would hammer the ever living ***** outa bruce. Bruce was a TINY TINY man. Weighing very little, if it was boxing he'd be a feather weight/light weight. Now, a 'street fight' whatever the hell that is would mean Bruce could kick. Great, this is a very flawed argument, the amount of effort a kick requires is substanially greater than a punch. No kick bruce lee has is going to be faster than a punch of Ali's, plus ali has reach on Bruce regardless of him kicking. So Bruce kicks, Ali pops him in the face 3 times for it.

That leaves Bruce going up to punch, great. Ali's been hammered by men MUCH bigger than him. He also weighed 236 in his prime. Bruce Lee had this funny problem with putting heavier guys down because he was missing what he called "Stopping power" because he was a tiny guy. Combined with the fact that Ali's reach was superior and his footing was great.. Poor Bruce.
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How many fighters went through a back injury proved doctors wrong and come out a better fighter? Not many. In a speed demonstration, he could snatch a dime off a person's open palm before they could close it, and leave a penny behind. He could single arm curl 70lbs to 80lbs 3 sets of 8 reps. He could do 50 reps on ONE ARM chin ups! Bruce was the first mixed martial artist. Don't disrespect a legend an icon and someone who pretty much changed and made fighting what is today.


Do i need to say more? You even putting him against Muhammad Ali, and you even thinking that Bruce Lee is slower then him, makes me want to laugh. I respect Muhammad Ali like no other, but i would never set him off against Bruce Lee or Mas Oyama. Muhammad is a boxer, and no Martial Artist. Bruce Lee actually had a student that was bigger then him, way bigger, talking about Karreem Abduhl Jabbar, and Bruce was the master.
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You know that he weighed VERY Little right? his physical feats of power are only impressive to those who don't really understand.

He couldn't master Wing Chun.

He couldn't make it in the chinese Kung fu scene because they couldn't respect someone who can't even master Wing Chun. Plus, wing chun is not fancy enough really for Chinese Kung fu movies anyway.

50 chin ups with one arm? What about his fabled push ups with a thumb and index? Oh and him weighing 135 pounds. LOL. Don't try and flaunt that ***** it's not as impressive as you think

you CLEARLY don't respect Muhammad Ali if you think that he's slower than bruce.
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You know that he weighed VERY Little right? his physical feats of power are only impressive to those who don't really understand.

He couldn't master Wing Chun.

He couldn't make it in the chinese Kung fu scene because they couldn't respect someone who can't even master Wing Chun. Plus, wing chun is not fancy enough really for Chinese Kung fu movies anyway.

50 chin ups with one arm? What about his fabled push ups with a thumb and index? Oh and him weighing 135 pounds. LOL. Don't try and flaunt that ***** it's not as impressive as you think

you CLEARLY don't respect Muhammad Ali if you think that he's slower than bruce.
Yes, he weighed very little. But that also would of given him less strength.
He couldn't master Wing Chun.... So what. He'd still destroy Ali.

And yes, I respect Ali. Just because Bruce Lee is obviously faster than him doesn't mean we don't respect him.
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You know that he weighed VERY Little right? his physical feats of power are only impressive to those who don't really understand.

He couldn't master Wing Chun.

He couldn't make it in the chinese Kung fu scene because they couldn't respect someone who can't even master Wing Chun. Plus, wing chun is not fancy enough really for Chinese Kung fu movies anyway.

50 chin ups with one arm? What about his fabled push ups with a thumb and index? Oh and him weighing 135 pounds. LOL. Don't try and flaunt that ***** it's not as impressive as you think

you CLEARLY don't respect Muhammad Ali if you think that he's slower than bruce.
Yes, he weighed very little. But that also would of given him less strength.
He couldn't master Wing Chun.... So what. He'd still destroy Ali.

And yes, I respect Ali. Just because Bruce Lee is obviously faster than him doesn't mean we don't respect him.
Obviously faster than him????

You can strike faster than the speed of light and it doesn't matter if it connects like a breath of air

Ali has a pretty famous saying.. You are prolly very familiar with it

Remember the cool part about STOPPING POWER I mentioned that bruce ADMITTED he had? Yeah.

Also, go look up how many muscles it takes to preform a kick, and give me some evidence that you can kick faster than a punch :3 I'll be waiting.

Size matters in a competition of full contact.. You need to remember this, Ali's reach was MUCH MUCH Greater than anything bruce had. He had 81 inches of reaching distance. That's enough to keep poor bruce outa kicking range :(

Now, you are once again taking the fact that bruce was not a proven martial artist in competition. He was an ACTOR FIRST AND FOREMOST AND IS REMEMBERED AS ONE.

The same reason that Jackie Chan is not known as one of the world's greatest Martial artists. He's more of a stunt man than he is a MA.. You guys.. Seriously.
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Mar 6 2011, 05:48 PM
You know that he weighed VERY Little right? his physical feats of power are only impressive to those who don't really understand.

He couldn't master Wing Chun.

He couldn't make it in the chinese Kung fu scene because they couldn't respect someone who can't even master Wing Chun. Plus, wing chun is not fancy enough really for Chinese Kung fu movies anyway.

50 chin ups with one arm? What about his fabled push ups with a thumb and index? Oh and him weighing 135 pounds. LOL. Don't try and flaunt that ***** it's not as impressive as you think

you CLEARLY don't respect Muhammad Ali if you think that he's slower than bruce.
Bruce Lee got privately trained by Yip Man you are aware of that i hope, and Yip Man is known to be a legend in the Wing-Chun Arts. I show you evidence if you want.



I respect Muhammad Ali alright, he just isnīt faster then Bruce Lee thatīs all, look up his videoīs and watch how fast Bruce Lee was. I greatly respect him, so donīt challenge that.

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Bruce Lee made his own Martial Arts school, he wasnīt an actor first, he actually was an street fighter first, then a Martial Artist and then he tryed it in acting.
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You know that he weighed VERY Little right? his physical feats of power are only impressive to those who don't really understand.

He couldn't master Wing Chun.

He couldn't make it in the chinese Kung fu scene because they couldn't respect someone who can't even master Wing Chun. Plus, wing chun is not fancy enough really for Chinese Kung fu movies anyway.

50 chin ups with one arm? What about his fabled push ups with a thumb and index? Oh and him weighing 135 pounds. LOL. Don't try and flaunt that ***** it's not as impressive as you think

you CLEARLY don't respect Muhammad Ali if you think that he's slower than bruce.
Yes, he weighed very little. But that also would of given him less strength.
He couldn't master Wing Chun.... So what. He'd still destroy Ali.

And yes, I respect Ali. Just because Bruce Lee is obviously faster than him doesn't mean we don't respect him.
Obviously faster than him????

You can strike faster than the speed of light and it doesn't matter if it connects like a breath of air

Ali has a pretty famous saying.. You are prolly very familiar with it

Remember the cool part about STOPPING POWER I mentioned that bruce ADMITTED he had? Yeah.

Also, go look up how many muscles it takes to preform a kick, and give me some evidence that you can kick faster than a punch :3 I'll be waiting.

Size matters in a competition of full contact.. You need to remember this, Ali's reach was MUCH MUCH Greater than anything bruce had. He had 81 inches of reaching distance. That's enough to keep poor bruce outa kicking range :(

Now, you are once again taking the fact that bruce was not a proven martial artist in competition. He was an ACTOR FIRST AND FOREMOST AND IS REMEMBERED AS ONE.

The same reason that Jackie Chan is not known as one of the world's greatest Martial artists. He's more of a stunt man than he is a MA.. You guys.. Seriously.
"You can strike faster than the speed of light and it doesn't matter if it connects like a breath of air."
Speed generates power. If I threw a punch at the speed of light it would most likely dent or destroy what ever I came into contact with.

"Also, go look up how many muscles it takes to perform a kick, and give me some evidence that you can kick faster than a punch :3 I'll be waiting."
How did you interpret me saying Bruce Lee could kick faster than Muhammad Ali can punch as I can kick faster than I can punch? <_<

"Size matters in a competition of full contact.."
Hehe, say that to Rocky Marciano. ^_^


"You need to remember this, Ali's reach was MUCH MUCH Greater than anything Bruce had."
OK. But I'd just like to let you know Ali was a pretty weak puncher. :w00t:

"He had 81 inches of reaching distance."
I'm not sure those light jabs would stop Bruce from charging at Ali and diving into him and start to strangle him. :D

"That's enough to keep poor Bruce out of kicking range :("
Oh yeah, I forgot if somebody jabs you, well then you have to stop fighting because ducking, stepping to the side and tackling isn't allowed in a no holds barred street fight. Oh, wait....

"He was an ACTOR FIRST AND FOREMOST AND IS REMEMBERED AS ONE."
Oh yeah, I forgot he wasn't a real martial artist. I mean, all he did was invent a martial art and master many others. He was a total n00b. :cool:

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I dont know where to start with you nusu..

You know nothing obviously.

From 3 weeks(IIRC?) Bruce was in a chinese hollywood movie. He didn't actually even CARE about martial arts till he got his ***** whooped in Hong Kong because he was a pretty boy actor. He was fourteen and met Revered Wing Chun Grandmaster Ip Man(Who NG says bruce lee would own ahahaha) Bruce lee showed eagerness and aptitude to learn. But IP man was forced to drop Bruce because he was a punk and would continiously get into fights in HK. He never mastered Wing Chun. He never mastered Judo, he never masted wrestling, or boxing. He also never EVER has a documented fight. Go look for some documentation on Ali, Oyama, Helio Gracie. All are documented and true TESTED veterans.

You say Bruce was a street fighter? I have yet to read anything more than him fighting some punks in Hong Kong. Which his parents had to get him out of HK because it was illegal and he was getting into trouble.

Bruce lee has nothing to show except for movies. Movies is what he'll be remembered for. Forever.

@NG..

Marciano? You mean the greatest fighter he fought was an aged and slower Joe Louis? He was like 38. He was way past his prime..I like Marciano too.. but He didn't have anyone as dominating to fight as someone like Ali did.. Bring Ali, Frazier, Foreman,Tyson or Lennox Lewis and I'd promise you Marciano would of went down
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