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| + Pyrus | Mar 14 2011, 02:21 AM Post #121 |
 
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I suppose it's something else that contradicts the book then, since the book states they were born without it while you're suggesting they had them removed at birth. Meh, oh well. |
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| FPSSJGohan | Mar 14 2011, 02:25 AM Post #122 |
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Guys, I'll resond tomorrow. However: About that rock throwing exercise, Gohan told Goten that he'd try to dodge the rocks as a training exercise. Gohan was dodging the rocks not because he was scared of being hurt, but because the point of the exercise was to train their speed. Did you think that the scene was Goten being told to chuck rocks at his brother just for Gohan to be pelted. If genes are what explain the kids' unnaturally fast power development, explain why Future Trunks didn't develop as fast despite having the same genes and training more. |
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| Saberoph | Mar 14 2011, 02:29 AM Post #123 |
 
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That's not what I said, I said Gohan moved the line back because he was scared of getting hit. I know it was to increase his speed, and he was shocked that Goten could throw that hard, but he moved the line back so he could dodge the rocks, if he hadn't moved the line back, he would have been hit. |
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| lunar2 | Mar 14 2011, 03:19 AM Post #124 |
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@saberoph, you had said earlier with your manga pages that gohan HAD to dodge them, as if the point was to get hit, and he was afraid of being hurt. @gohan the point of the post was actually to show that base goten was very very strong, because gohan could barely dodge the rocks, even when he expected them. |
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| Saberoph | Mar 14 2011, 03:24 AM Post #125 |
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Yea, I've been a little off today, haven't been feeling well. I meant Gohan was surprised at Goten's Base strength, that he put the line too close, if he had kept the line where it was...then Goten would have either hit Gohan, or Gohan would have done something else. |
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| Nusu | Mar 14 2011, 08:14 AM Post #126 |
Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr.
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The Fact that Goten gave Gohan some trouble in their spar, is kind off the prove you need, i don´t think an Android Saga Level Super-Saiyan as stated by many Goten to be on, can even scratch an Cell Games Saga Level Super-Saiyan like Gohan. They have to be close in power.
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| Mystic Gotenks | Mar 14 2011, 08:37 AM Post #127 |
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Gohan hadn't fought in many years so unlike Goten who trained with trunks probably would get tied out. Also Gohan would have held back so he didn't' hurt him. |
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| Saberoph | Mar 14 2011, 08:39 AM Post #128 |
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I doubt that because Gohan's teachers didn't hold back on him, so that's not what he was trained to do, and if Gohan held back then Vegeta would too, because Goten and Trunks were so close in power, and they were close to Gohan's power too. |
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| lunar2 | Mar 14 2011, 05:19 PM Post #129 |
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right. i love how people randomly say "goten and trunks are weak because they're kids, and gohan and vegeta and 18 were all really really holding back, and they knocked buu back because he was playing with them. and they didn't get any stronger in the rosat because gotenks was training, not them, so the fusion just got stronger." or even better: trunks is weak because he can't handle high gravity gohan vs. goten was a gag trunks vs. vegeta was a gag the kids vs. 18 was a gag gotenks is a complete idiot that doesn't even know how powerful he is. so every time he thinks he's strong, he's really weak, and never even got as strong as goku. everytime piccolo mentions how strong gotenks is, it's a gag. |
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| Saberoph | Mar 14 2011, 05:50 PM Post #130 |
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It's because some people don't wanna believe Goten and Trunks are that close to the other saiyans, but I will say this though, up until post-rosat, it wasn't too impressive, I mean it was because at such a young age, but other than that it wasn't since they were still weaker than Gohan who slacked off for 7 years and lost a huge chunk of it, and only gained a certain portion. But even with that, I believe their that strong at such a young age because Vegeta was on the verge of becoming a Super Saiyan, and Goku had Mastered it when Chi-Chi conceived. But still, I loved the look in Vegeta and Gohan's face when they transformed. |
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| Wintergreen5000 | Mar 14 2011, 05:52 PM Post #131 |
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Well, I'd have to stick with my opinion, supported by the fact that we see Goten and Gohan sparring hard in the manga as Super Saiyans. As I'm sure was discussed in the last seven or so pages, while it was only Kumite, it's obvious that Goten was right on Gohan until Gohan was actually forced to ascend into the air. As was mentioned before, for an Android Arc-level Super Saiyan to give a low-tier MSSjin such a...well...such a workout, seems not just unlikely, but really impossible. The power gap is way to huge. It'd be as if 17 started doing Kumite with Complete Cell [suppressed] and forced Complete Cell to fly up into the air to escape being hit. So, in my opinion, Goten has got to be close to the MSSjin level. While we all believe [at least all of us who believe that Goten is stronger than the average Android joe] that Gohan is most definately the stronger of the two, there is no doubt, after considering what's shown, that Goten is most likely stronger than Piccolo. We don't really know for sure Piccolo's strength in the Buu arc, as he never fights [very disappointing], but we do know that for him to be able to beat Goten, he'd have to be on MSSjin Gohan's level, and that is most unlikely in my opinion, because of the fact that Dabra doesn't mention Piccolo when describing the three individuals with great potential. And of course, I don't take that statement to mean he sensed their Super Saiyan 2 power, no, because if that were the case, I don't see how Dabra could keep a strait face. He would've been overwhelmed. But that fact that he alludes to only three individuals having great potential, or rather great skill and power, tells me that Piccolo was most likely not on the same level as Gohan, and thus, could not be considered a worthy enough of an opponent in terms of power to defeat Goten. |
 
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| Saberoph | Mar 14 2011, 06:11 PM Post #132 |
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Well see that's where I disagree, I believe The Namek is stronger than pre-rosat Goten, but not by much at all. But post-rosat Goten is way too much for him. I believe by the Budokai it's a close race with Goten, Trunks and Gohan's Base and The Namek, and when Gohan loses his energy and Kibit is unable to restore his full power makes all the difference and makes Gohan 10% weaker, putting Gohan in the middle of the three. |
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| Wintergreen5000 | Mar 14 2011, 06:33 PM Post #133 |
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Wait a minute. If Piccolo is stronger than SSjin Goten [pre-RoSaT], as is your opinion, then that must mean that he is at least on SSjin Teen Gohan's level according to what you're suggesting. Is that what you're saying? If so, why is it that Dabra and Babidi didn't deem him even worthy to lure into the ship to take his energy? I mean, he would be as strong as Dabra...right? |
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| Nusu | Mar 14 2011, 06:52 PM Post #134 |
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Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr.
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Wait. That would mean that the Kaioshin is stronger then Teen Gohan SSJ. :O |
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| + Pyrus | Mar 14 2011, 06:56 PM Post #135 |
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Well, he did to better than Gohan against Boo, but that could be due to his magical abilities really. |
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