Kamikaze Pyro

Mar 18 2011, 02:35 AM

Piccolo couldn't be on Perfect Cell's level unless he was stronger than Super Saiyan Gohan, which we know he wasn't.

Also, here's something else to think about for the Base Saiyans/Piccolo debate. Babidi told Dabra to take the three strongest (excluding Kaioshin) and kill the "trash." Dabra kept the Saiyans and Kaioshin, and killed Piccolo, Kibito, and Krillin. Some people like to say Dabra is terrible at chi sensing because he thought Goku was just "glowing" during his fight with Yakon. But what they neglect to mention, or possibly assess, is that that fight took place on the Dark Planet (Babidi transported them there). It'd be pretty hard for Dabra to sense Goku's power from that far away and through a magic ball, don't you think?

That was the objective part, and now here's my subjective view on it: It doesn't matter what we think should happen/has happened, or what we think is logical, or anything else like that. Toriyama did what he wanted and he showed us through this instance that the Base Saiyans were the top dogs.

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Ok thats fine, im just saying that after the merge with Kame, Piccolo was the strongest of the Z Fighters for a bit, at least until everyone decided that the ROSAT became the hottest new vacation spot. He was the only one able to go toe to toe with Android 17, which even the Super Saiyans couldnt hold a candle to. So while he wasnt as strong as SSJ Gohan (at the time), after 7 years of training it would serve that he would of at least hit that level, being a Super Namek, equivelent of a Super Saiyan. Im going off of what I saw with my own eyes, not subtitles or stated power levels or what have you. He kicked the ***** out of #17, and held his own against a Cell Jr, which Trunks couldn't even do. But im always down for more input.

soldier223

Mar 18 2011, 12:35 PM

Kamikaze Pyro

Mar 18 2011, 02:35 AM

Piccolo couldn't be on Perfect Cell's level unless he was stronger than Super Saiyan Gohan, which we know he wasn't.

Also, here's something else to think about for the Base Saiyans/Piccolo debate. Babidi told Dabra to take the three strongest (excluding Kaioshin) and kill the "trash." Dabra kept the Saiyans and Kaioshin, and killed Piccolo, Kibito, and Krillin. Some people like to say Dabra is terrible at chi sensing because he thought Goku was just "glowing" during his fight with Yakon. But what they neglect to mention, or possibly assess, is that that fight took place on the Dark Planet (Babidi transported them there). It'd be pretty hard for Dabra to sense Goku's power from that far away and through a magic ball, don't you think?

That was the objective part, and now here's my subjective view on it: It doesn't matter what we think should happen/has happened, or what we think is logical, or anything else like that. Toriyama did what he wanted and he showed us through this instance that the Base Saiyans were the top dogs.

Ok thats fine, im just saying that after the merge with Kame, Piccolo was the strongest of the Z Fighters for a bit, at least until everyone decided that the ROSAT became the hottest new vacation spot. He was the only one able to go toe to toe with Android 17, which even the Super Saiyans couldnt hold a candle to. So while he wasnt as strong as SSJ Gohan (at the time), after 7 years of training it would serve that he would of at least hit that level, being a Super Namek, equivelent of a Super Saiyan. Im going off of what I saw with my own eyes, not subtitles or stated power levels or what have you. He kicked the ***** out of #17, and held his own against a Cell Jr, which Trunks couldn't even do. But im always down for more input.

Kamikaze Pyro

Mar 18 2011, 05:56 PM

soldier223

Mar 18 2011, 12:35 PM

Kamikaze Pyro

Mar 18 2011, 02:35 AM

Piccolo couldn't be on Perfect Cell's level unless he was stronger than Super Saiyan Gohan, which we know he wasn't.

Also, here's something else to think about for the Base Saiyans/Piccolo debate. Babidi told Dabra to take the three strongest (excluding Kaioshin) and kill the "trash." Dabra kept the Saiyans and Kaioshin, and killed Piccolo, Kibito, and Krillin. Some people like to say Dabra is terrible at chi sensing because he thought Goku was just "glowing" during his fight with Yakon. But what they neglect to mention, or possibly assess, is that that fight took place on the Dark Planet (Babidi transported them there). It'd be pretty hard for Dabra to sense Goku's power from that far away and through a magic ball, don't you think?

That was the objective part, and now here's my subjective view on it: It doesn't matter what we think should happen/has happened, or what we think is logical, or anything else like that. Toriyama did what he wanted and he showed us through this instance that the Base Saiyans were the top dogs.

Ok thats fine, im just saying that after the merge with Kame, Piccolo was the strongest of the Z Fighters for a bit, at least until everyone decided that the ROSAT became the hottest new vacation spot. He was the only one able to go toe to toe with Android 17, which even the Super Saiyans couldnt hold a candle to. So while he wasnt as strong as SSJ Gohan (at the time), after 7 years of training it would serve that he would of at least hit that level, being a Super Namek, equivelent of a Super Saiyan. Im going off of what I saw with my own eyes, not subtitles or stated power levels or what have you. He kicked the ***** out of #17, and held his own against a Cell Jr, which Trunks couldn't even do. But im always down for more input.

Yeah, but none of that disproves Dabra's chi sensing ability. He chose the Saiyans over Piccolo.

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No, the kids have to be weak. It's the only logical explanation.

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in other words, you don't know that piccolo never touched a cell jr., and that only vegeta and trunks were able to fight them?

Saberoph

Mar 18 2011, 09:20 PM

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No, the kids have to be weak. It's the only logical explanation.

Do you mean pre or post rosat Goten?

soldier223

http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8254015&t=8273322

Kamikaze Pyro

Mar 18 2011, 05:56 PM

soldier223

Mar 18 2011, 12:35 PM

Kamikaze Pyro

Mar 18 2011, 02:35 AM

Piccolo couldn't be on Perfect Cell's level unless he was stronger than Super Saiyan Gohan, which we know he wasn't.

Also, here's something else to think about for the Base Saiyans/Piccolo debate. Babidi told Dabra to take the three strongest (excluding Kaioshin) and kill the "trash." Dabra kept the Saiyans and Kaioshin, and killed Piccolo, Kibito, and Krillin. Some people like to say Dabra is terrible at chi sensing because he thought Goku was just "glowing" during his fight with Yakon. But what they neglect to mention, or possibly assess, is that that fight took place on the Dark Planet (Babidi transported them there). It'd be pretty hard for Dabra to sense Goku's power from that far away and through a magic ball, don't you think?

That was the objective part, and now here's my subjective view on it: It doesn't matter what we think should happen/has happened, or what we think is logical, or anything else like that. Toriyama did what he wanted and he showed us through this instance that the Base Saiyans were the top dogs.

Ok thats fine, im just saying that after the merge with Kame, Piccolo was the strongest of the Z Fighters for a bit, at least until everyone decided that the ROSAT became the hottest new vacation spot. He was the only one able to go toe to toe with Android 17, which even the Super Saiyans couldnt hold a candle to. So while he wasnt as strong as SSJ Gohan (at the time), after 7 years of training it would serve that he would of at least hit that level, being a Super Namek, equivelent of a Super Saiyan. Im going off of what I saw with my own eyes, not subtitles or stated power levels or what have you. He kicked the ***** out of #17, and held his own against a Cell Jr, which Trunks couldn't even do. But im always down for more input.

Yeah, but none of that disproves Dabra's chi sensing ability. He chose the Saiyans over Piccolo.

Im not even talking about Dabura. He has nothing to do with this post, this is Piccolo vs Goten. I simply don't see Goten winning this. Another important factor in this is, iv seen the anime, never the manga.

lunar2

http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8254035&t=8273322

in other words, you don't know that piccolo never touched a cell jr., and that only vegeta and trunks were able to fight them?

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You should try reading the manga. It'll help you a lot in these debates. The anime contains a lot of filler that messes things up.

lunar2

Mar 18 2011, 09:22 PM

Saberoph

Mar 18 2011, 09:20 PM

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No, the kids have to be weak. It's the only logical explanation.

Do you mean pre or post rosat Goten?

its another KP sarcastic streak. this one's early, it's only been a couple weeks.