Kamikaze Pyro

Mar 15 2011, 10:49 PM

+ ILLusioNaire

http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8252463&t=8273322

So what's being said here is that since Kaioshin is supposedly much stronger than Piccolo, and Piccolo is at the Cell Jr level more or less, and since Goku fought Yakon and Vegeta fought Pocus, creatures that Kaioshin wouldn't fight, then that means that Base Goku and Vegeta [Buu Arc] are stronger than not only Piccolo but also SSjin Goten and Trunks? Because it is said that Kaioshin is basically in another dimension of power compared to Piccolo, so he's at least on SSjin Goten's level. By what you guys are saying, if I'm laying down things right here, is that Base Goku is actually stronger than even SSjin Goten, who is close to SSjin Teen Gohan, who is close to Dabra. I don't know guys, lol. Something seems wrong here.

I don't think Base Goku is stronger than Super Saiyan Goten, but I do believe the rest (well, except for Piccolo being on par with the Cell Juniors).

+ ILLusioNaire

http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8252518&t=8273322

So to you Base Goku [Buu arc] is stronger than SSjin Grade 2 Vegeta [Cell Game]?

That's how I view it.

Also, why are all my posts being ignored...? Are they so incredibly inaccurate that there's no worth in responding to them, or is it that they're too accurate to respond to, or something in between? Because I don't want to post, then have it ignored only for me to have to post it again two pages later, then have it ignored again.

ILLusioNaire

Mar 16 2011, 06:00 AM

Okay. And these statements are...fetchable?

Kamikaze Pyro

Mar 16 2011, 06:05 AM

ILLusioNaire

Mar 16 2011, 06:00 AM

Okay. And these statements are...fetchable?

Chapter: 392 (DBZ 198), P13.1-5
Goku: “Hey… Piccolo! Did you go in the Room of Spirit and Time?”
Piccolo: “Indeed.”
Goku: “I can tell! You’ve risen to an entirely different level.”
Piccolo: “…Why don’t you just be frank with me? I’ve grown stronger, but even, it won’t do any good against Cell…”
Goku: “…Yeah, it won’t do any good.”
Piccolo: “Hmph…You really were frank…”

Piccolo admits he won't do any good against Cell. We know Super Saiyan Grade 2 Vegeta was nothing compared to Cell. Grade 3 Trunks had a power advantage, as stated by Cell, but his speed was crap and he was unable to affect Cell. We know Piccolo's speed was in line with his power so he couldn't have been around Grade 3 Trunks or he would've been confident in defeating Cell.

Chapter: 395 (DBZ 201), P13.5
Context: after Goku says he’ll fight first
Vegeta: “Do want you want. Either way, I’ll be the one to finish this…”

Vegeta is confident he can defeat the Cell he faced that stomped him earlier, which also puts him above 50% Mastered Super Saiyan Goku.

From this, we can deduce that Piccolo was somewhere around Super Saiyan Grade 2 Vegeta, who was nothing compared to Cell, as Piccolo stated he was, who Vegeta after his second ROSAT trip felt he could defeat.

ILLusioNaire

Mar 16 2011, 03:34 PM

Kamikaze Pyro

Mar 16 2011, 06:05 AM

ILLusioNaire

Mar 16 2011, 06:00 AM

Okay. And these statements are...fetchable?

Chapter: 392 (DBZ 198), P13.1-5
Goku: “Hey… Piccolo! Did you go in the Room of Spirit and Time?”
Piccolo: “Indeed.”
Goku: “I can tell! You’ve risen to an entirely different level.”
Piccolo: “…Why don’t you just be frank with me? I’ve grown stronger, but even, it won’t do any good against Cell…”
Goku: “…Yeah, it won’t do any good.”
Piccolo: “Hmph…You really were frank…”

Piccolo admits he won't do any good against Cell. We know Super Saiyan Grade 2 Vegeta was nothing compared to Cell. Grade 3 Trunks had a power advantage, as stated by Cell, but his speed was crap and he was unable to affect Cell. We know Piccolo's speed was in line with his power so he couldn't have been around Grade 3 Trunks or he would've been confident in defeating Cell.

Chapter: 395 (DBZ 201), P13.5
Context: after Goku says he’ll fight first
Vegeta: “Do want you want. Either way, I’ll be the one to finish this…”

Vegeta is confident he can defeat the Cell he faced that stomped him earlier, which also puts him above 50% Mastered Super Saiyan Goku.

From this, we can deduce that Piccolo was somewhere around Super Saiyan Grade 2 Vegeta, who was nothing compared to Cell, as Piccolo stated he was, who Vegeta after his second ROSAT trip felt he could defeat.

No doubt those quotes are true. However, before Piccolo had completed his training in the CoSaT Goku had went and checked Cell out to see how he would fair. Obviously, Goku was not scared of Cell's suppressed level, because Goku knew what he himself was capable of. He knew that Cell was harboring untold, unimaginable power; that's why he told Piccolo he wouln't do any good against Cell. It's not that he wouldn't be able to take on Cell's suppressed level, it's Cell's higher levels yet unseen that Goku was alluding to.

And if all Vegeta planned to use was Super Saiyan, then that means that his Super Saiyan form was passed 50% MSSjin Goku, making Piccolo close to that. Piccolo could probably take on Complete Cell [suppressed].

Quote:

 

Piccolo (pre-Kami): 250,000,000
-Post-Kami: 750,000,000 (equal with No.17)
Semi-Perfect Cell (suppressed): 1,300,000,000
-Full power: 1,725,000,000

ILLusioNaire

Mar 16 2011, 06:00 AM

No doubt those quotes are true. However, before Piccolo had completed his training in the CoSaT Goku had went and checked Cell out to see how he would fair. Obviously, Goku was not scared of Cell's suppressed level, because Goku knew what he himself was capable of. He knew that Cell was harboring untold, unimaginable power; that's why he told Piccolo he wouln't do any good against Cell. It's not that he wouldn't be able to take on Cell's suppressed level, it's Cell's higher levels yet unseen that Goku was alluding to.

And if all Vegeta planned to use was Super Saiyan, then that means that his Super Saiyan form was passed 50% MSSjin Goku, making Piccolo close to that. Piccolo could probably take on Complete Cell [suppressed].

Quote:

 

Ah, *****, I was over by 50. Oh well. It doesn't make a huge difference in the overall point I was trying to make.

Nusu

Mar 16 2011, 03:53 PM

ILLusioNaire

Mar 16 2011, 03:34 PM

Kamikaze Pyro

Mar 16 2011, 06:05 AM

ILLusioNaire

Mar 16 2011, 06:00 AM

Okay. And these statements are...fetchable?

Chapter: 392 (DBZ 198), P13.1-5
Goku: “Hey… Piccolo! Did you go in the Room of Spirit and Time?”
Piccolo: “Indeed.”
Goku: “I can tell! You’ve risen to an entirely different level.”
Piccolo: “…Why don’t you just be frank with me? I’ve grown stronger, but even, it won’t do any good against Cell…”
Goku: “…Yeah, it won’t do any good.”
Piccolo: “Hmph…You really were frank…”

Piccolo admits he won't do any good against Cell. We know Super Saiyan Grade 2 Vegeta was nothing compared to Cell. Grade 3 Trunks had a power advantage, as stated by Cell, but his speed was crap and he was unable to affect Cell. We know Piccolo's speed was in line with his power so he couldn't have been around Grade 3 Trunks or he would've been confident in defeating Cell.

Chapter: 395 (DBZ 201), P13.5
Context: after Goku says he’ll fight first
Vegeta: “Do want you want. Either way, I’ll be the one to finish this…”

Vegeta is confident he can defeat the Cell he faced that stomped him earlier, which also puts him above 50% Mastered Super Saiyan Goku.

From this, we can deduce that Piccolo was somewhere around Super Saiyan Grade 2 Vegeta, who was nothing compared to Cell, as Piccolo stated he was, who Vegeta after his second ROSAT trip felt he could defeat.

No doubt those quotes are true. However, before Piccolo had completed his training in the CoSaT Goku had went and checked Cell out to see how he would fair. Obviously, Goku was not scared of Cell's suppressed level, because Goku knew what he himself was capable of. He knew that Cell was harboring untold, unimaginable power; that's why he told Piccolo he wouln't do any good against Cell. It's not that he wouldn't be able to take on Cell's suppressed level, it's Cell's higher levels yet unseen that Goku was alluding to.

And if all Vegeta planned to use was Super Saiyan, then that means that his Super Saiyan form was passed 50% MSSjin Goku, making Piccolo close to that. Piccolo could probably take on Complete Cell [suppressed].

You mean Initial or Suppressed? I really, doubt Piccolo could take on Suppressed Perfect Cell, firstly, because i would at best put Vegeta as Super-Saiyan at 60% of Goku´s 100% MSSJ Power. And Piccolo is weaker then Vegeta and Trunks (SSJ), so at best i would put him at 10 - 30%.