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Topic Started: Feb 26 2011, 07:26 PM (3,639 Views)
NeoSSayajin
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Rebel X
Mar 11 2011, 04:04 PM
How is it clear that he doens't know? he's following the entire time what's happening in the Cell Games.
He follows the Cell Games because Goku warned him about Cell, before that he wasnt aware.

Also in the Future Timeline he never sensed the Androids because they have no ki.
Even if he sensed the death of the Z Fighters, why would he interfere in Earth's matters? Why? The Androids are not Frieza, Cell or Majin Buu, who can travel through the universe destroying everything in their way.
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Kotetsu
Mar 11 2011, 04:12 PM
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Mar 11 2011, 04:07 PM
TrunksSSJ
Mar 11 2011, 03:58 PM
No, not necessarily. If you didn't remember you can't sense Androids power levels. It's how Dr Gero/Android 20 got away.

This a good topic by the way.

This what I think happen.


Goku and Z fighters died. King Kai never knew about the androids. Goku didn't visit King Kai because there is no need in he's mind to do so.

Kami's lookout could be still there but without no one telling them its there it's as good as destroyed. This is why it was difficult to reach new namek which is tough locating itself let alone visiting it.

I'll add another what if to this though.

Why didn't trunks just go back to a time when Kami was alive? To wish the androids away or something that would make them win?

Because you can only go back in time to another universe/dimension not your own. They mention that, he would've gon back in time to save piccolo from dying but he can't do that and the effects of that universe we know doesn't effect the universe FutureTrunks is originally from.
So that being said, what was the point of going back to the dimension we are watching? If none of the events that Trunks changes is not of his own, why does it matter what happens to our dimension?

It would make more sense if he thought he was going back to his own dimension but wound up in this one...
He realizes late that every travel back in time creates a new timeline. He didnt wanted to change his timeline, he wanted to warn the Z Fighters of the new timeline and to find a possible way of defeating the Androids.
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NeoSSayajin
Mar 11 2011, 04:52 PM
Kotetsu
Mar 11 2011, 04:12 PM
Rebel X
Mar 11 2011, 04:07 PM
TrunksSSJ
Mar 11 2011, 03:58 PM
No, not necessarily. If you didn't remember you can't sense Androids power levels. It's how Dr Gero/Android 20 got away.

This a good topic by the way.

This what I think happen.


Goku and Z fighters died. King Kai never knew about the androids. Goku didn't visit King Kai because there is no need in he's mind to do so.

Kami's lookout could be still there but without no one telling them its there it's as good as destroyed. This is why it was difficult to reach new namek which is tough locating itself let alone visiting it.

I'll add another what if to this though.

Why didn't trunks just go back to a time when Kami was alive? To wish the androids away or something that would make them win?

Because you can only go back in time to another universe/dimension not your own. They mention that, he would've gon back in time to save piccolo from dying but he can't do that and the effects of that universe we know doesn't effect the universe FutureTrunks is originally from.
So that being said, what was the point of going back to the dimension we are watching? If none of the events that Trunks changes is not of his own, why does it matter what happens to our dimension?

It would make more sense if he thought he was going back to his own dimension but wound up in this one...
He realizes late that every travel back in time creates a new timeline. He didnt wanted to change his timeline, he wanted to warn the Z Fighters of the new timeline and to find a possible way of defeating the Androids.
Basically what I said before but said a lot better. Thanks.
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Why? Well because just like Kami, he didn't interfere when Pilaf or the Red Ribbion army were out to rule the world. Kai look over things and they try to balance it. Plus King Kai is only so Powerful. He can't communicate with people who don't know about him. I mean if he and Goku were both dead then yes they could tell Trunks about the Timechamber but they werent so they couldn't. King kai didn't do anything when Freiza was alive, or with Cell or with majin Buu. He never got off his planet til he died.

Their was no way for Trunks to know about the Lookout.

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TrunksSSJ
Mar 11 2011, 04:56 PM
NeoSSayajin
Mar 11 2011, 04:52 PM
Kotetsu
Mar 11 2011, 04:12 PM
Rebel X
Mar 11 2011, 04:07 PM
TrunksSSJ
Mar 11 2011, 03:58 PM
No, not necessarily. If you didn't remember you can't sense Androids power levels. It's how Dr Gero/Android 20 got away.

This a good topic by the way.

This what I think happen.


Goku and Z fighters died. King Kai never knew about the androids. Goku didn't visit King Kai because there is no need in he's mind to do so.

Kami's lookout could be still there but without no one telling them its there it's as good as destroyed. This is why it was difficult to reach new namek which is tough locating itself let alone visiting it.

I'll add another what if to this though.

Why didn't trunks just go back to a time when Kami was alive? To wish the androids away or something that would make them win?

Because you can only go back in time to another universe/dimension not your own. They mention that, he would've gon back in time to save piccolo from dying but he can't do that and the effects of that universe we know doesn't effect the universe FutureTrunks is originally from.
So that being said, what was the point of going back to the dimension we are watching? If none of the events that Trunks changes is not of his own, why does it matter what happens to our dimension?

It would make more sense if he thought he was going back to his own dimension but wound up in this one...
He realizes late that every travel back in time creates a new timeline. He didnt wanted to change his timeline, he wanted to warn the Z Fighters of the new timeline and to find a possible way of defeating the Androids.
Basically what I said before but said a lot better. Thanks.
Then that means we all said the same thing Trunks. Sheesh make some sense bro! :P

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Mar 11 2011, 04:57 PM
Why? Well because just like Kami, he didn't interfere when Pilaf or the Red Ribbion army were out to rule the world. Kai look over things and they try to balance it. Plus King Kai is only so Powerful. He can't communicate with people who don't know about him. I mean if he and Goku were both dead then yes they could tell Trunks about the Timechamber but they werent so they couldn't. King kai didn't do anything when Freiza was alive, or with Cell or with majin Buu. He never got off his planet til he died.

Their was no way for Trunks to know about the Lookout.
Master Roji was talked to with Goku's assistant. Master Roji could be notified again to tell trunks and the others if that was the case. But it isn't.
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Another question, what happened to Future 19? He exists only in the main timeline? Or in the Future Timeline he appeared first whit Dr. Gero and was destroyed by the Future Z Fighters and Gero escaped and activated 17 and 18 like in the Main Timeline?

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He was killed just as in the present timeline. Note nothing changed except the Goku's death and the other's not knowing of the androids arrvial. It could also be that Dr Gero decided not to activate 19 and just wake up 17 and 18 to kill the Z fighters.
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The two timelines aren't exact. It's possible. That in this Dr. Gero did not make himself into an android. Or it's very possible that 20 and 19 existed but weren't mentioned because Trunks has never actually seen them. I mean he was only a baby when they first came. Bulma was away when 19 and 20 showed up. Gohan probably didn't mention it because a Super Saiyan could handle the prior Androids

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Mar 11 2011, 05:21 PM
It could also be that Dr Gero decided not to activate 19 and just wake up 17 and 18 to kill the Z fighters.
Well, 19 had to be activated because he was the one who turned Dr. Gero into an Android.
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Mar 11 2011, 05:24 PM
The two timelines aren't exact. It's possible. That in this Dr. Gero did not make himself into an android. Or it's very possible that 20 and 19 existed but weren't mentioned because Trunks has never actually seen them. I mean he was only a baby when they first came. Bulma was away when 19 and 20 showed up. Gohan probably didn't mention it because a Super Saiyan could handle the prior Androids
In many flashbacks Dr. Gero is seen being an Android when he was killed by BOTH (Future Trunks and Cell's Timelines) Future Androids 17 and 18.
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So basically the androids 19/20 came got beat and opened up 17/18. Nothing changed. Aside from the Z fighters knowing andorids coming in one time line and not in another.
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Exactly. They just werent metioned

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Mar 11 2011, 05:50 PM
So basically the androids 19/20 came got beat and opened up 17/18. Nothing changed. Aside from the Z fighters knowing andorids coming in one time line and not in another.
There are only 2 plotholes, why in History of Trunks it was never implied that Dr. Gero and 19 appeared, it seems that 17 and 18 were the ones in the start and why never Future Trunks knew about 19 and 20, neither Gohan or Bulma told him.

I have to go to University now, but later ill came back, this What If questions are really interesting.
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Did AT make 19/20 up later on then?
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