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Topic Started: Feb 26 2011, 07:26 PM (3,640 Views)
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SupahSaiyajinGoku (Pre Rosat)
Mar 11 2011, 01:34 PM
why don;t future trunks wish future vegeta and gohan back

then

155.000.000 (the weakest but still)
190.000.000 (less than post yadrat goku)
170.000.000 (higher than future trunks)
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515.000.000
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499.000.000 (Android 17)

so they win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why? Because they had no dragonballs...and btw the Chamber was at Kami's look out. What are the chances the look out was even their and not destroyed? I mean if the lookouts gone so is the Chamber. Bulma has never been to Kamis at this point in the story either.

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Mar 11 2011, 01:41 PM
SupahSaiyajinGoku (Pre Rosat)
Mar 11 2011, 01:34 PM
why don;t future trunks wish future vegeta and gohan back

then

155.000.000 (the weakest but still)
190.000.000 (less than post yadrat goku)
170.000.000 (higher than future trunks)
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515.000.000
vs
499.000.000 (Android 17)

so they win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why? Because they had no dragonballs...and btw the Chamber was at Kami's look out. What are the chances the look out was even their and not destroyed? I mean if the lookouts gone so is the Chamber. Bulma has never been to Kamis at this point in the story either.
Mr. Popo could have contacted Gohan and tell him to train at the HTC, although is not implied what happened to the Lookout since the Z Fighters death is portrayed to happen in the city where the Androids appeared. Mr. Popo may retired to exile.

My theory is that Goku died and he went directly to heaven, no visit to King Kai.
King Kai never knew about the Androids, or even until it was to late, since in the present timeline he didnt knew about the Androids or Cell until Goku told him when he visited him when he was finding New Namek.
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King kai can't NOT know. It's his region. he plenty aware

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Mar 11 2011, 03:41 PM
King kai can't NOT know. It's his region. he plenty aware
In the manga and the anime its clear that he DOESNT know about the Androids and Cell until Goku arrived on his planet using IT.
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No, not necessarily. If you didn't remember you can't sense Androids power levels. It's how Dr Gero/Android 20 got away.

This a good topic by the way.

This what I think happen.


Goku and Z fighters died. King Kai never knew about the androids. Goku didn't visit King Kai because there is no need in he's mind to do so.

Kami's lookout could be still there but without no one telling them its there it's as good as destroyed. This is why it was difficult to reach new namek which is tough locating itself let alone visiting it.

I'll add another what if to this though.

Why didn't trunks just go back to a time when Kami was alive? To wish the androids away or something that would make them win?

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How is it clear that he doens't know? he's following the entire time what's happening in the Cell Games.

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Mar 11 2011, 04:04 PM
How is it clear that he doens't know? he's following the entire time what's happening in the Cell Games.
But the Cell Games never happen in Trunks timeline.
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TrunksSSJ
Mar 11 2011, 03:58 PM
No, not necessarily. If you didn't remember you can't sense Androids power levels. It's how Dr Gero/Android 20 got away.

This a good topic by the way.

This what I think happen.


Goku and Z fighters died. King Kai never knew about the androids. Goku didn't visit King Kai because there is no need in he's mind to do so.

Kami's lookout could be still there but without no one telling them its there it's as good as destroyed. This is why it was difficult to reach new namek which is tough locating itself let alone visiting it.

I'll add another what if to this though.

Why didn't trunks just go back to a time when Kami was alive? To wish the androids away or something that would make them win?

Because you can only go back in time to another universe/dimension not your own. They mention that, he would've gon back in time to save piccolo from dying but he can't do that and the effects of that universe we know doesn't effect the universe FutureTrunks is originally from.

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Mar 11 2011, 04:07 PM
TrunksSSJ
Mar 11 2011, 03:58 PM
No, not necessarily. If you didn't remember you can't sense Androids power levels. It's how Dr Gero/Android 20 got away.

This a good topic by the way.

This what I think happen.


Goku and Z fighters died. King Kai never knew about the androids. Goku didn't visit King Kai because there is no need in he's mind to do so.

Kami's lookout could be still there but without no one telling them its there it's as good as destroyed. This is why it was difficult to reach new namek which is tough locating itself let alone visiting it.

I'll add another what if to this though.

Why didn't trunks just go back to a time when Kami was alive? To wish the androids away or something that would make them win?

Because you can only go back in time to another universe/dimension not your own. They mention that, he would've gon back in time to save piccolo from dying but he can't do that and the effects of that universe we know doesn't effect the universe FutureTrunks is originally from.
So that being said, what was the point of going back to the dimension we are watching? If none of the events that Trunks changes is not of his own, why does it matter what happens to our dimension?

It would make more sense if he thought he was going back to his own dimension but wound up in this one...
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Really? I didn't know that. Can you tell where it was mentioned? I thought it didn't effect he's timeline because like Back to the Future(Yeah I'm making this reference it was said that every effect you do in the pasts makes a complete new timeline) not because he couldn't go to another universe.


Edit: I just realized when that was. It was when he thought the androids to be dead upon coming back.
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Mar 11 2011, 04:12 PM
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Mar 11 2011, 04:07 PM
TrunksSSJ
Mar 11 2011, 03:58 PM
No, not necessarily. If you didn't remember you can't sense Androids power levels. It's how Dr Gero/Android 20 got away.

This a good topic by the way.

This what I think happen.


Goku and Z fighters died. King Kai never knew about the androids. Goku didn't visit King Kai because there is no need in he's mind to do so.

Kami's lookout could be still there but without no one telling them its there it's as good as destroyed. This is why it was difficult to reach new namek which is tough locating itself let alone visiting it.

I'll add another what if to this though.

Why didn't trunks just go back to a time when Kami was alive? To wish the androids away or something that would make them win?

Because you can only go back in time to another universe/dimension not your own. They mention that, he would've gon back in time to save piccolo from dying but he can't do that and the effects of that universe we know doesn't effect the universe FutureTrunks is originally from.
So that being said, what was the point of going back to the dimension we are watching? If none of the events that Trunks changes is not of his own, why does it matter what happens to our dimension?

It would make more sense if he thought he was going back to his own dimension but wound up in this one...
Because the whole intention of him going back was to warn Goku of the Android.. He says that like a bunch of times when he lands. He's there to help Goku get past his heart problems and help him get past the Androids, not save his universe. Obviously he does get more powerful and in turn becomes powerful enough to kill the androids but that's a perk.

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Mar 11 2011, 04:16 PM
Kotetsu
Mar 11 2011, 04:12 PM
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Mar 11 2011, 04:07 PM
TrunksSSJ
Mar 11 2011, 03:58 PM
No, not necessarily. If you didn't remember you can't sense Androids power levels. It's how Dr Gero/Android 20 got away.

This a good topic by the way.

This what I think happen.


Goku and Z fighters died. King Kai never knew about the androids. Goku didn't visit King Kai because there is no need in he's mind to do so.

Kami's lookout could be still there but without no one telling them its there it's as good as destroyed. This is why it was difficult to reach new namek which is tough locating itself let alone visiting it.

I'll add another what if to this though.

Why didn't trunks just go back to a time when Kami was alive? To wish the androids away or something that would make them win?

Because you can only go back in time to another universe/dimension not your own. They mention that, he would've gon back in time to save piccolo from dying but he can't do that and the effects of that universe we know doesn't effect the universe FutureTrunks is originally from.
So that being said, what was the point of going back to the dimension we are watching? If none of the events that Trunks changes is not of his own, why does it matter what happens to our dimension?

It would make more sense if he thought he was going back to his own dimension but wound up in this one...
Because the whole intention of him going back was to warn Goku of the Android.. He says that like a bunch of times when he lands. He's there to help Goku get past his heart problems and help him get past the Androids, not save his universe. Obviously he does get more powerful and in turn becomes powerful enough to kill the androids but that's a perk.
No at first thought he went back to warn him in order that it may change he's future. Later on he realized that this wasn't the case. So he train with Goku and meet Vegeta to learn things to help him in he's time.
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Nah, he never says that. He just says " with you on our side maybe we have a chance against these androids" Episode 57, right after they kill Frieza and chat. Plus it's in the movie as well that his mom explained to Trunks to go back and warn Goku. I mean obviously. I get what you'rea ll saying that maybe Bulmas intent was to change her future but she clearly discovered a change in universe with time not her own. So anyway they both (Bulma and Trunks) know from the beginning they can't change their future but they can help others

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That leads us to notice how different the personalities of Mirai no Trunks, Chibi Trunks and GT Trunks are. Even if talking about GT Trunks is like an unspeakable taboo among fans. LOL
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hahaha. well yea, you see the effect it has on a person

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