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Majin Vegeta Vs Lssj broly (movie 10); Who would win this fight?
Topic Started: Feb 7 2011, 08:41 AM (14,284 Views)
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Feb 21 2011, 06:59 PM
The point that he already question´s it is weird, he saw Gohan´s power. Gohan was his goal after Goku died, why does he not just say "You are no match for me anymore" instead of "What about now?". Vegeta had a long road to go, he needed to master the SSJ, surpassing Goku in power, surpassing Gohan in power and reaching the SSJ 2. If he is surpass it, why does he question his superiorness?
Yeah, pretty much. Vegeta at this point is still cocky and wouldn't question his superiority if he truly was 100% sure he was more powerful.
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I just don't see Vegeta being that low, I mean in the Frieza arc Vegeta was a good deal weaker than Goku, and in three years he not only surpassed Goku's base level, and surpassed Goku's SS power.

It wouldn't be too much of a stretch for Vegeta to gain that much power in 7 years.
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I just don't see Vegeta being that low, I mean in the Frieza arc Vegeta was a good deal weaker than Goku, and in three years he not only surpassed Goku's base level, and surpassed Goku's SS power.

It wouldn't be too much of a stretch for Vegeta to gain that much power in 7 years.
I'm not saying he didn't surpass Gohan, but it can't be by a good margin otherwise he'd be cocky about it and wouldn't even question it. So it has to be close. He had to master Super Saiyan, pass up Goku and Gohan, and ascend to Super Saiyan 2. That's a lot to do in 7 years, even if it seems like a lot of time.
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I get what you mean, but I also see Gohan losing 30% of his Cell Games power. I see Vegeta being higher than Cell Games Gohan, and with Gohan getting weaker. I see Vegeta getting lucky in overpowering Gohan.

Now if you take away the 30% loss, then there wouldn't be much of a gap at all.
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Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr.

He wasn´t THAT weaker, at the end of the Frieza Arc he was pretty much close to Goku´s power.

Goku - 3.000.000.

Vegeta - 2.500.000.

Vegeta needed to Master a Super-Saiyan, plus he needed to surpass two fighter´s which outclassed him completely during the Cell Arc, not to mention he needed to reach a new form to defeat Gohan. Vegeta had more goal´s during the seven year´s training then he had during the three year´s training.

Damn, you guy´s are fast. :P
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Yea I am Bow chicka bow wow. :D

Besides I didn't say a great deal weaker, a good deal weaker (I know at times I still need to be more specific, to me a good deal just mean a small gap barely any).

Also Goku and Gohan outclassed Vegeta in less than a year. Vegeta had a gravity machine that was greater than the ROSAT, and Vegeta had 7 years.

And yes one could argue, that the ROSAT is a bigger advantage and there's no way Vegeta could do the same in a gravity machine in 7 years, however I disagree and believe he could do this easily.
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Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr.

The RoSaT works a bit different, it might also have a gravity system, but time there goes faster by. Goku and Gohan were in their for 1 year, even though, they were only in it for 1 day. Or was it more? Can´t remember well anymore. The Gravity Vegeta used might be greater then the Gravity used in the RoSaT, which is about 10x (though increases as far you go into the RoSaT), but the Gravity Machine does not make time goes by faster, he might´ve a greater result then Goku and Gohan had after one year. But Vegeta also used the Gravity Machine in the three year´s training, meanwhile Goku used regular training with Piccolo and Gohan and he didn´t became that much stronger then Goku.
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Well yea not WAY stronger than SS Goku, but enough to make a difference.

I do realize the ROSAT is more complicated than what I was saying, but still it isn't really far fetched that Vegeta could pull it off. Like I said Vegeta got lucky in being stronger than Gohan since he got weaker.

Btw, could you take a look at my pl's in the other topic, and give me your opinion.
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Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr.

Of course. And yes, Vegeta does have the edge over Gohan because he got weaker.
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Thanks, see if this was Cell Games Gohan SS2 vs SS2 Vegeta Pre-Majin, I believe the fight would come down to Vegeta's experience.
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Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr.

I agree. And i doubt Gohan would gain a rage-boost during this.. so, yeah, i would give this too Vegeta also.
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However this alters my previous statement.

The Family Kamehameha would be higher than Pre-Majin SS2 Vegeta, but I don't see it being as high as Majin Vegeta. IMO. But oh well it's all good anyway, I just realized I've been more involved in this topic than any other here...I've been posting since page 2 I believe. lol

But this topic could be worse, we could be flaming each other, and bashing each other's heads in with opinions.
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wow i missed a lot while i was at school....
anyway

this is how i see things

during the beam struggle, gohan was ss1, goku was ss1, and goten was ss1

so if goten had a power level of 1, gohan had 1.5 and goku 2 (this is purely for explanation purposes) then the kamehameha would have a power level of 11.25.....ITS OVER 9! anyway then they bosted it probably x2 initially putting it at 22.5 and then probably another x2 at the end, putting it at a wopping 45!(this is also making goku weaker than i think he is at this point.)

if vegetas ss was as as strong as gokus at a power level of 2 then his super saiyan 2 (according to the figure of ss2 is a boost of x8) would be a power level of 16. he would get murdered by the kamehameha.

next if hes normal ss2 was 16, then his final flash which should be about the same multiplier as the kamehameha, but i will give it a 3x boost for the hell of it, putting the final flash pl at 48, almost dead even with the kamehameha.

now the majinn boost......uhh this is speculation on my part, so dont bash it please.

i say it gives vegeta a 50- 75% boost over his ss2 form putting him at between 24-28 still weaker than the kamehameha.

if he were to stand there an tank the kamehameha he ould die unless his majinn boost made him 300% stronger, which i doubt.

Soooo in conclusion vegeta ss2 final flash>= family kamehameha
vegeta majinn, or ss2< family kamehameha
majinn vegeta final flash> family kamehameha

this helps the notion that broly could beat ss2 vegeta, because unless my figures are that bad his final flash was equal to the kamehameha, which broly was easily winning against, pre P.I.S. anyway

and broly vs majinn vegeta, i see broly coming out on top in either a beam struggle via his massive energy out put, or a brawl due to his stamina, resistance to attacks, and his energy out put again, plus superior super saiyan form.

this is my opinion on the matter dont get mad at me for it its just how i see the facts
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Well see, I don't even see Gohan THAT powerful, remember Gohan lost from my view 40%, but gained 30% by the time of the Budokai, and what Gohan is wearing shows us he was training for the Budokai.

So Gohan could very well be 35% weaker than Cell Games Gohan, which means Goten is still pretty weak compared to Movie 10 Broli, and then at this point we really didn't know how powerful Goku's MSS was. So many do put Goku MSS a little higher than Cell Games Goku, since nobody knew his EXACT MSS level.

And given the date the movie was aired, I do but this Goku weaker than Boo arc self, my reasoning is because in otherworld he his unlimited energy, so he can train 24-7 so he could increase his MSS in a matter of days. So at this point I put Movie 10 Goku Perfect Cell powered up against MSS Gohan. Yes I do believe Goku could gain that much power, especially since he has a MAJOR advantage in otherworld.

See I place the power of the Family Kamehameha 370,000,000. Solo I place SS Gohan at 52,500,000, Goten 40,000,000, Goku 190,000,000.

See why I place the Family Kamehameha lower is because I put Majin Vegeta at 400,000,000 on his own. That's always been where I've placed him.

This is a rough thrown together guess too.
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whoa thts why i hate random power levels.... going by ur power levels gokus kamehameha alone would be a pl of 475000000, putting just his kamehameha more powerful than vegeta.

im not trying to be rude but from ur post it sounded as if you put the family kameha. at 370 mil only because u think vegetas power level is 400 mil.

why would u put ur numbers where u do? i backed mine up with commonly used stats/ the "accepted numbers", so im just asking howd u get ur numbers, i need more info please

also from judging the size of each kameha. fired id say goten is the weakest, with gohans probably 2x more powerful, with gokus being 2-4x more powerful than gohans, judging by what i saw any way.

so id put gohan higher than goten by a bit more than what u did. also why does majinn vegeta have to be stronger than the kamehameha?
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