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Majin Vegeta Vs Lssj broly (movie 10); Who would win this fight?
Topic Started: Feb 7 2011, 08:41 AM (14,286 Views)
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Deus ex machina. That's how Broly is defeated each time.
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Feb 20 2011, 11:40 PM
uhhh i dont know if u realise, but gohan was a ss2. this has been proven.

the kamehameha boosts the users power by 2.5 minimum.
and even after the trunks distraction it still wasnt enough to kill him, so they had to push him into the sun.

we also dont have any idea how stong goku was at tht point, but it was definately pretty strong.

so if majinn vegetas final flash went up against the family kamehameha i think it would be a tie, but i would lean toward the kamehameha

also ur argument on broly shoud have destroyed them quickly if he was tht strong is crazy! there not gonna let gohan or goten get killed. what major character has died in the series when it wasnt part of the plot, and they were fighting someone stronger?

gotenks vs fat buu? no
gotenks vs super buu? before ss3? no
gohan vs bootenks? no
vegeta vs kid buu? no
picollo vs raditz? no
goku vs raditz? no (was killed via plot)
goku vs frieza? no (he should have been killed long before he got ss, by ur logic, but it doesnt make frieza weak )
cell vs goku? no (killed later due to plot)
Vegeta vs cell? no
trunks vs cell? no
gohan ssj1 vs cell? no
z fighters vs cell jrs? no
gohan vs fat buu? no
gohan vs dabura? no
goku vs vegeta (saiyan saga)? no

No main characters die in dbz/movies unless its part of the plot,

Besides good guys always win in dbz, thts why they never let broly kill the z fighters in the first movie, or second movie. not because hes weak because he was the strongest in both movies, which is plainly evident. but because the good guys always win.
At which point are you saying Gohan was SS2?
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when he fought broly in movie 2, he had the hair and theres art from akira, tht proves he was meant to be ss2, but like many other movies they exclude the lightning, i can give examples if you like
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The art wasn't from Toriyama actually. That was a misconception on my part I'm pretty sure. It was done by the anime staff. Still, doesn't really change much.

Even Gohan's aura after he transforms is sharp and jagged like that of his Super Saiyan 2 aura.
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yea he still a ss2 nonetheless
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Feb 21 2011, 12:25 AM
when he fought broly in movie 2, he had the hair and theres art from akira, tht proves he was meant to be ss2, but like many other movies they exclude the lightning, i can give examples if you like
I'm asking if you mean Gohan vs Broli round 1, or the Family Kamehameha.

If you mean round one, then I agree with you, I even admitted it in a previous post that he was.

If you mean the Family Kamehameha, then no he wasn't.
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You may have to save it and zoom like I did, but it wont distort the hair. You can see this is SS only, and he has two bangs...remember the bangs that's the main way to tell the difference, other than the stiffer hair, and here it's clearly not.

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Here you can still see two bangs, these two pics are from the episode The Newest Super Saiyan.

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This one if from Movie 10, where Gohan is charging his Kamehameha, as you can see he was two bangs, SS2 has only one.

http://i825.photobucket.com/albums/zz173/Gamer_Saberoph/DragonballZ-Movie10_1563.jpg

As you can see this one is from the Family Kamehameha, you can see that one of the two bangs are blown back, which is very common with SS. If your having problems seeing the blown back bang...it's the one blown back right above the partial blown to the side bang.

But please tell me which time are you taking about.

Edit: I am not denying it was a plot device, but it was a poor one and a plot device that still confuses a lot of fans to this day.




Edited by Saberoph, Feb 21 2011, 01:19 AM.
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Yes, I believe he was only a Super Saiyan during the beam struggle.
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You know when you posted Deus ex machina, I just laughed. I knew exactly what you said just didn't expect anyone to say it.

Not sure if you got my pm or not, but do you know of any good pl lists?
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Feb 21 2011, 01:33 AM
You know when you posted Deus ex machina, I just laughed. I knew exactly what you said just didn't expect anyone to say it.

Not sure if you got my pm or not, but do you know of any good pl lists?
I didn't receive your PM, but I don't know of any exceptionally good power level lists anymore. It's all up to opinion.
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That's weird but it's all good anyway. Thanks.

I wanna do pl's for my fanfic, I know people would say don't bother, but I think it would be fun. I mean I have pl's for SS4 Goku, Vegeta and Gogeta, and Omega Shenlong (I know I used the american and Japanese names together, so sue me I couldn't remember the first Japanese half right off my head).
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That's weird but it's all good anyway. Thanks.

I wanna do pl's for my fanfic, I know people would say don't bother, but I think it would be fun. I mean I have pl's for SS4 Goku, Vegeta and Gogeta, and Omega Shenlong (I know I used the american and Japanese names together, so sue me I couldn't remember the first Japanese half right off my head).
It's up to you. I would probably use levels, but they can be restricting unless you make them up post-writing IMO.
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See I already know what I'm gonna do with all but one arc, the rest is completely planned out. I know who's gonna reach what level, and how far not to go. Also if there's fusions, who's gonna fuse and when. I also have the enemies at a set strength, just not any pl's.
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Feb 20 2011, 09:24 PM
Uh yea, especially since how much greater SS2 is to SS. Then add all that extra power, that's a big gap to fill. I mean seriouly that's a MSS Gohan 30% weaker than his best, then SS Goten who many would argue that's equal to Gohan at that point, then MSS Goku who is a great deal stronger than 7 years earlier. I mean his power did go up, but that much is crazy.

EDIT: For a sec there I almost went all "Let me as you, does a machine like yourself ever experience fear?" Lol I almost gave in to my inner Vegeta. :lol:

He became stronger then MSSJ Gohan, Gohan went below that and Goten is equal with him based on what we saw in the sparring. It´s worth a shot i say. The Kamehameha regular already surpasses their power, combined it would be based on the three Kamehameha´s strength, then they boost it up once but twice (including the Final boost). I think you kinda underrate their power here. However, i think i kinda overrated their power on my last post, it is not possible to match Majin Vegeta´s SSJ 2 Final Flash with the Family Kamehameha. But, I´am still a believer that Vegeta would be killed/pushed (back) by the Family Kamehameha.
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I never use Broly's defeats in my arguments simply because they're unfair to his previous feats of strength. By unfair, I mean, hugely unfair.

Broly toppled SSj2 Gohan with little effort in three hits. I think that's pretty impressive. Piccolo said SSj2 Majin Vegeta *might* have surpassed SSj2 Chibi Gohan at the Cell Games when he was beating down Fat Boo. I'll agree that he did (and by good margin), but, the fact that Piccolo said *might*, one can infer it wasn't huge. Add onto the fact that I don't put Gohan as more than 20-25% weaker, at most, than his younger self... then, well, how could Vegeta, who is maybe 50-60% more powerful than SSj2 Teen Gohan kill Broly? He couldn't. Broly was DOMINATING SSj2 Teen Gohan. Yes, Gohan was able to pull away from him. And? A direct hit to Broly's face did nothing.

The only reason he pulled away was because Broly was caught off guard by the fact that Gohan maneuvered himself just enough to knee Broly in the face. The knee itself showed no physical damage to Broly, it only pissed him off. I don't know about you, but, to me, that doesn't really seem like Gohan is putting up that impressive of a fight.

I'll give you that SSj2 Vegeta or Goku would put up a decent fight, but, would they have any hope of winning? Hell no. This is how I think of it:

LSSj Broly (movie 10) is roughly 90-100% stronger than SSj2 Teen Gohan. Provided his strength and power level losses, this, to me, isn't unfair. He messed Gohan up pretty good in just three hits. I put SSj2 Goku or Majin Vegeta at around 60-65% more powerful than SSj2 Teen Gohan. This makes Broly around 25-40% more powerful than them individually. Just my opinion, I'm sure you disagree.

My perspective on this, I'm sure, is much different than yours. Having read the entire Dragonball Z manga and debated stuff like this to death, Broly KOing SSj2 Teen Gohan in three hits is more than impressive and proves his zenkai was significant and he outshadows his previous movie 8 self.

Add onto that, the LSSj form is pretty much perfect in terms of the fact that instead of losing chi, Broly gains chi, effectively recovering any chi losses from battle wounds... I honestly see no possible way, even if Goku or Vegeta fired a huge attack at Broly, that he'd lose.

If Broly tried to tank it, I'm sure he'd be badly hurt, but, again, I strongly believe he has a significant power advantage and it wouldn't kill him.

Meanwhile, SSj2 Goku and Vegeta would be fried out from the fight, maintaining the SSj2 form and the huge attack, that Broly, despite being wounded, could kill them. It'd be similar to how Vegeta came back after being hit by the genki dama in the Saiyan Saga, and despite being badly injured, still could have killed everyone with ease (if, obviously, of course, Gohan hadn't turned into a great ape and landed on him, but, I don't see how that would happen in this scenario, lmao). And I don't think Broly would be as wounded as Vegeta was by the genki dama anyway. That ***** wrecked his day.

Broly can sense chi, which I once adamantly debated against, I doubt he'd go "HIT ME BABY!" towards a gigantic energy attack. At the least, he'd put up a chi shield, or just side-step it... which he could easily do, given that Broly's speed in LSSj is proportionate to his strength, and, with his significant advantage in that field, he'd also be significantly faster.

I understand that you'll disagree no matter what Saberoph, and arguing will do no good, as frankly, Broly's messed up. I tried to prove something in my huge ***** post, but, what I only did was sort of set up a parameter on his potential power.

Most people agreed on that Broly in movie 10 should be at least, the absolute bare minimum, as strong as Super Perfect Cell, and his absolute maximum at about Mr. Boo. Given Broly's feats, I put him much closer to the latter. It's all opinion though.
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