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| Strawberry | Feb 1 2011, 07:14 AM Post #16 |
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When did 17 say they only went 30%? I don't remember him saying numbers (I could be wrong though). And even if they weren't at full power, that's not enough to assume Trunks was just illuded by the fact the present androids were fighting more seriously. That's totally devaluing Trunks capacity to study his rivals. Trunks was a serious, good warrior. He knew what he was talking about. It was explicit in the manga that time traveling changed the course of the series. We saw that happening with Frieza and King Cold getting killed, and then with Gero and 19 being alive. So if Trunks says another change was the twins being stronger, it's a lot more logical to believe him. Edited by Strawberry, Feb 1 2011, 07:18 AM.
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| Nusu | Feb 1 2011, 07:19 AM Post #17 |
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He says he didn´t even use half of his strength during their first Battle, so either he was using 40% or 30% or even 20% or just 10%. Actually, Trunks was more an unexperienced fighter, he thought he has a chance against the Androids, even though, Gohan was brutally mauled by them. If they were using 30% or something lower and 18 was using 50% or 60% against Vegeta, then there would be a huge difference, which could confuse somebody like Trunks. Who obviously, thought that he fought Full Power Androids. |
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| Strawberry | Feb 1 2011, 07:25 AM Post #18 |
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Trunks was unexperienced when he fought the androids, but he didn't travel to the present time right away. He spent some time waiting for Bulma to create the time machine. When we see him in the present time he's a serious, focused, good warrior. That's what I was trying to say. I see where you're going with those numbers, but I stand by my thought that it's more logical to believe in what Trunks says. Assuming he got confused is sort of meh, specially when we have real proof that the present time really did have some changes. |
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| Nusu | Feb 1 2011, 07:27 AM Post #19 |
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I would say they were using more effort then the Future Androids. As far as i know the Future Androids only went 100% to totally kill somebody, they never actually intended to kill Trunks, or they would´ve done it. |
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| Strawberry | Feb 1 2011, 07:35 AM Post #20 |
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But it's hard to say when they went 100% even in the present time. We know for sure 17 was giving all he's got when he fought Piccolo, but I'm not so sure 18 went 100% when she fought Vegeta, and the same applies to 17 fighting the other Z Fighters like Tien, Trunks... I don't think at that time they needed to go 100% to finish them off. I'm sure 18 was serious when she fought Vegeta, but one thing is to be serious, another thing is to give everything she's got. And she definitely didn't do that. She didn't even use ki blasts during the fight! Not once! Numbers can be a bit confusing because there's no exact answers after the saiyan/frieza saga. Edited by Strawberry, Feb 1 2011, 07:36 AM.
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| lunar2 | Feb 1 2011, 06:12 PM Post #21 |
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well, we have trunks, a 1/2 trained fighter that never fought his opponents at full power. even a fully trained fighter can't tell how much a person is holding back, although they can tell that they are. we know they were using less than half of their power against gohan, because they said so, but trunks doesn't know that, because he was unconscious at the time. as far as i've seen, the future androids are the same as the present androids, just with 17 years of being unchallenged. the personalities are the same, and i believe the max powers are the same as well. |
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| Xterminator | Feb 6 2011, 02:47 PM Post #22 |
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The fact that the entire Z-team got KO'd by the present androids with a few hits should tell you how much more powerful they are compared to their future counterparts. They knocked Trunks (who at the time was stronger than he's ever been) in a couple of blows. I don't think the future androids were ever able to do that, even to a weaker Trunks three years prior. Even Trunks just stating the present androids being much stronger should be obvious. Toriyama didn't just add that line in the manga to leave people wondering. It means that it's true that the androids are in fact stronger in the present. You want to use theories? Trunks went back to his timeline after giving Goku the virus cure and for all we know he could have challenged the androids during that period of time who may have used a lot of their power against him. But one thing is for sure; The present androids are much stronger than their future counterparts. Period. The future androids are much more murderous for whatever reason but that could be due to Gero activating them earlier in the future than in the present. |
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| Nusu | Feb 6 2011, 03:18 PM Post #23 |
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No, i don´t think so either, she was using more effort no doubt, but not really 100%. Edited by Nusu, Feb 6 2011, 03:19 PM.
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| + Pyrus | Feb 6 2011, 06:45 PM Post #24 |
 
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I know he's misinformed because it's obvious in the manga. I said it in my earlier post. He wasn't around when the Androids told Gohan that they weren't even using half their power before, which means they can change their power output (effort in this case since they don't technically have chi) to have fun. Trunks was only a bit stronger than Gohan was after 3 years later (still in the future timeline), so it wouldn't make sense for the Androids to start going all-out on him when they didn't for Gohan. Trunks thought whatever power output they were using against him was their full power, when it's clear they were toying with him because they let him live. Again, Trunks' line is the only reason people think there's a difference between the two, but he's misinformed because the Androids in his time liked to have fun and toy with him, while the Androids in the main timeline were serious for the most part (while fighting at least) and got down to business. |
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| Andriod17 | Sep 4 2012, 04:28 PM Post #25 |
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Actual the present androids are stronger the future andriod are weaker if you read the wiki it states that the present ones are stronger also you can tell cause the future andriods had to gang up on super saiyan gohan to beat him and andriod 18 beat vegeta who was way stronger the future gohan all by herself |
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| Ahri | Sep 4 2012, 04:34 PM Post #26 |
 
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Wiki isnt prove anyone can write anything on it. Movie isn't canon 17 stated in the mange he never used above 50% power against Gohan Edited by Ahri, Sep 4 2012, 04:35 PM.
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Sep 4 2012, 04:46 PM Post #27 |
 
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They were stronger because trunks said so, there is no plausible explanation. he didnt even try to explain it, he couldnt understand who gero and 19 even were. they are different possibly because the goku in the original timeline is weaker than the present goku. Its possible that in futures past that goku didnt do something to amp up his strength and that gero made the androids according to his specs, just like in this world. Only thing i can think of that makes sense. Other than trunks being wrong of course. No surprise if thats true. Edited by Paikuan extreme, Sep 4 2012, 04:49 PM.
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| + Clearin | Sep 4 2012, 04:53 PM Post #28 |
 
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Old topic, but I don't agree with the whole "The future androids aren't actually weaker" thing. There would be no reason at all for Toriyama to add that line in twice and never retcon it if it was not true. |
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| * Yu Narukami | Sep 4 2012, 04:57 PM Post #29 |
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But then would you ignore a direct statement from #17 that said that he wasn't even using half of his full power in the last fight? The Mirai Androids' full powers were never shown. |
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| + Clearin | Sep 4 2012, 04:59 PM Post #30 |
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He said that against Gohan. We never saw Trunks final fight with the Androids, we literally just saw him fly off, then the next panel was him in hospital. For all we know the Androids did use full power vs him. |
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