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| Settling Vegito VS. Gogeta Once And For All!; I've Found Pretty Much The Easiest Way To Do This, I Think... | |
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| Nusu | Jan 5 2011, 08:12 PM Post #31 |
Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr.
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Buucolo is more or less weak. Mystic Gohan would´ve pwned him. He is probably by a low margin stronger then Super-Buu. Super-Vegetto wasn´t really trying to kill Buuhan so this mean´s he was holding back some of his power. Also, the rival boost must be also there in Gogeta´s case. Therefor this would put Gogeta and Vegetto easily on par. |
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| lunar2 | Jan 5 2011, 08:15 PM Post #32 |
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the rival boost must be there in the fusion dance, in order for the events of movie 12 to have happened the way they did. |
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| duli | Jan 7 2011, 12:25 AM Post #33 |
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If that theory were true, Trunks and Goten working together at base woulve been enough to kill Super Buu, and Goku and Vegeta working together at base wouldve been enough to kill Janemba. Goku powered up to SS3 and Vegeta to SS2 and Janmeba raped them both. So you have a giant hole in your theory. |
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| + Pyrus | Jan 7 2011, 03:26 AM Post #34 |
 
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How would the kids have been enough? |
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| SupahSaiyajinGoku (Pre Rosat) | Jan 7 2011, 03:48 AM Post #35 |
Unmastered Super Saiyan
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this is already settled by many forums VEGITO ofcourse |
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| duli | Jan 8 2011, 12:54 AM Post #36 |
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lol i just saw a giant hole in what i said. the kids powering up to super saiyan (goten+trunks=gotenks/ ssj goten+ssj trunks+ ssj gotenks) thats definteitley not the case since they were both obselete when fighting fat buu in ssj, who is weaker than super buu. |
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| Xfing | Jan 12 2011, 12:39 AM Post #37 |
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Actually I seriously doubt that was Akira's reasoning. Non-canon material wasn't something he'd adjust to when writing his manga. Plus, as some before me have said, both Fusion and Potara don't add powers together but add them and then multiply them by folds. If it weren't true, then Super Vegito wouldn't stand a chance against Super Buu. Hell, he wouldn't even stand a chance against Kid or Fat Buu. |
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| cmay119 | Jan 12 2011, 05:17 PM Post #38 |
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If Vegeta could match Goku's max powerlevel, I don't see how the fusion dance would be any weaker than the Potara fusion. The elder Kai wasn't aware of the Rival boost until after they had fused. So I have a tough time believing a rival boost wouldn't happen if they fused with the dance as well. Remember, Vegeta was damn pissed at Goku for ascending to SSJ3 and hiding it from him. So the rivalry and animosity from Vegeta was as strong as it was since the Saiyan saga (IMO). The math only shows the dance to be weaker, because Goku doesn't have a max PL match. He has to powerdown some to match Vegeta's max. So of course under those circumstances Vegito's going to decimate Gogeta. If you could have a face-off where both individual fighters had even max powerlevels before their respective fusions, you'd see a much more even fight. Then the battle comes down to strategy (if you ignore the 30 minute time-limit). EDIT: Yikes, I have a big hole in my argument here that I somehow didn't acknowledge, Vegeta wasn't matched with Goku during the Potara fusion, it's just multiplied by both powerlevels as they are... So let me rephrase my argument. If you could have both fusions come out where both power-levels equaled out in the end. Then the fight is equal. Arghh, now the math becomes difficult. I'll bow out of this debate from here.  Edited by cmay119, Jan 12 2011, 05:35 PM.
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| Nusu | Jan 12 2011, 05:34 PM Post #39 |
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Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr.
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Goku and Vegeta at the time the fused to Vegetto were equal. Therefor would Gogeta match Vegetto´s power. I doubt Gokan would actually be as strong as Vegetto. :/ |
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| cmay119 | Jan 12 2011, 05:39 PM Post #40 |
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They were? I don't recall that being the case. I was under the impression they could fuse at any powerlevel and then boost up to the max of each with fusion multiples after the fusion was complete? EDIT: Why don't you think two stronger fighters than Vegeta fusing wouldn't equal that of Vegito? Because of the Rival powerup? Edited by cmay119, Jan 12 2011, 05:41 PM.
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| Nusu | Jan 12 2011, 05:42 PM Post #41 |
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Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr.
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I one of the few who think, that the powering down for the Fusion, effects the power of it. Or the wouldn´t be any need of it. Majin SSJ 2 Vegeta and Goku SSJ 2 were about equal, as i said it in other topic´s, i doubt that Vegeta lost his Majin Power Up, since its actually unlocked Vegeta´s Evil hidden potential. The Rival Boost is the most important part in the Vegetto fusion. Gokan won´t gain that kind of boost, that´s why i think he would be weaker. Edited by Nusu, Jan 12 2011, 05:43 PM.
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| Xfing | Jan 12 2011, 07:02 PM Post #42 |
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Well, now after re-reading Manga quotes I'm more inclined towards believing that Potara fusion is in fact superior. The Elder Kai said "its effects are greater than with Fusion". I suppose he wasn't referring to the fusion's permanence (since that had already been known by that point), and the only other relevant aspect would be the actual powerlevel. Furthermore, I don't believe that the Fusion Dance also bestows a rivalry bonus. It's just a technique that sums up the two fighters' powerlevels and multiplies them by a good amount (500x or so would be a fair estimate... never put my head into it much though). Potara on the other hand is a magic/godly type of union which factors in much more variables than just the powerlevel. Among others, these are: race, the relation between the personalities and the attitude of the fusees in regard to one another. Its overall effects are greater than the Metamorese Fusion's like the Elder Kai stated, but in Vegito's case they have been further amplified by the inherent properties of Goku and Vegeta. I suppose that the more variables the fusees have different, the greater the effect on the powerlevel - in addition to the fusion being more "complete", e.g. Vegito who possesses both Vegeta's arrogance and Goku's youthful cheer. Even easier: if you mix blue and red, you get something altogether new - purple. While if you mix light gray and dark gray, you just get another shade of gray. Get it?  So though for a while y'all have managed to convince me that Vegito more or less = Gogeta, now I'm back to thinking that Vegito is superior. The Elder Kai's statement about "greater effects" does it for me. Of course it's only my opinion and choice of belief, you're entitled to your own. Edited by Xfing, Jan 12 2011, 07:14 PM.
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| lunar2 | Jan 12 2011, 07:16 PM Post #43 |
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if we go by manga powers, then movie 12 gogeta would have to gain that same boost in order for there to be room between ssj3 goku and ssj gogeta for janemba to be stronger than goku, then power up, then be jack ***** compared to gogeta. also, the fusion dance is only x6, imo, but thats because i put goten and trunks closer to goku and vegeta than most would. i suppose it could be as much as x10, if goten and trunks were significantly weaker than i put them. potara may be more powerful than fusion, as in the multiplier used, but its not a big difference. like i said, if i have fusion as 6x, then potara might be 7x, its not a huge difference. |
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| Fourth Doctor Who | Jan 13 2011, 05:29 AM Post #44 |
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I watched DBZ two days ago about the potara fusion and I cheaked funimation and japanese. Old Kai only mensions "stronger" in funimation while the japanese says "better". I think this means Gogeta and Vegito could be closer then I ever thought possible. Let's say Vegito (Boo Saga) becomes SSj4 and Gogeta (Movie 12) becomes SSj4 the results should be the same. |
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| Kirbarimo | Nov 1 2013, 04:17 PM Post #45 |
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I'd Say it would definetly have to be vegito due to the fact that he could probably live a half an hour smacking and who says he would even get beaten up and after that he would easily be able to smoke them. But the battle might not even last half an hour. So my vote is Vegito. |
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