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| Settling Vegito VS. Gogeta Once And For All!; I've Found Pretty Much The Easiest Way To Do This, I Think... | |
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| + Pyrus | Jan 5 2011, 02:26 AM Post #16 |
 
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Okay, I'm back and I've got my quotes with me. Chapter: 501 (DBZ 307), P6.2-6 Elder Kaioshin: “Here! Put this Potara on your left ear! [ ] Put the other one on Gohan’s ear. Just by doing that, you two will be able to merge together! Like with Fusion.” Goku: “Huh! Re-really!?” Elder Kaioshin: “Of course. And what’s more, the effect is greater than with Fusion! This has been the trump card treasure of the Kaioshins since long ago.” This pretty much confirms what I've been saying, that the Potara method creates a more complete fighter, hence "the effect is greater." Chapter: 504 (DBZ 310), P9.2-3 Context: as Vegetto beats up on Boo Kaioshin-Kibito: “H-he’s strong!!! Majin Boo there is helpless!!! To think that merging with the Potara would be this incredible…!!” Elder Kaioshin: “Idiot, it’s because it was those two that they were able to go so far. Two of the top 3 masters in both the living world and afterlife have merged, after all. What’s more, two rivals have joined together. That’s definitely strongest.” Here, Kibitoshin says that it's solely because of the Potara that Vegetto is so strong, to which Elder Kaioshin is quick to correct him and say it's because of Goku and Vegeta fusing that Vegetto is so powerful. Then to boot it's because they're rivals. I don't know if this helped any see it from where I'm coming from, but there you go. I believe Gogeta would turn out pretty much just as powerful as Vegetto, but Vegetto would have the edge because Potara allows for more completeness.  |
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| Omnifarious | Jan 5 2011, 02:33 AM Post #17 |
 
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Who translated the manga you're referencing? |
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| + Pyrus | Jan 5 2011, 02:35 AM Post #18 |
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Herms from Daizex. He's a fluent speaker of Japanese and has lived in Japan (maybe still does, not sure), and he's never been one to exert his opinions on things like translations, so I have no reason to doubt him. In fact, I'd take his translations over Viz, to be completely honest. Edited by Pyrus, Jan 5 2011, 02:36 AM.
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| Omnifarious | Jan 5 2011, 02:38 AM Post #19 |
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Eh, then your points are all very legit. And what lunar2 said also makes a lot of sense. I believe that excluding the SSJ3 transformation, Vegeta (after his Majin transformation) was pretty much equal to Goku. |
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| + Pyrus | Jan 5 2011, 02:46 AM Post #20 |
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Yes, I also believe Vegeta kept the power once he was restored, making him equal to Goku without SSj3. So yeah, that's all of what I think on the matter. I know some people disagree, though. |
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| Ussj Future Trunks | Jan 5 2011, 09:00 AM Post #21 |
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ive actually always thought vegito = gogeta or alternatively vegetto is stronger BUT ONLY BY A LITTLE BIT. knowing that they are BOTH goku fused with vegeta its safe to say they are practically the same being. after all akira only created the potara because we'd already seen gogeta in movie 12 and having him in buu as well seemed kinda unoriginal and repetitive. |
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"I am Lord Freeza, whom none surpass me; no one even comes close! BURN THIS INTO YOUR MIND! I am emperor of the universe! The likes of you are only fit to grovel at my FEET....or better still TO BE CRUSHED, LIKE AN INSECT AT THe WHIM OF YOUR MASTER!!!- Chris Ayres, Freeza, DBZKAI dub from Funimation | |
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| Naruto-Gogeta | Jan 5 2011, 11:27 AM Post #22 |
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I know that, but I was just using Vegeta as 600 and Goku as 1,000 as an example. And I also know they multiply. Goku = 1,000 Vegeta = 600 (Hypothetical power levels) Try to use Fusion Dance. Fails. Goku powers down to 600. 600 X 600 = 360,000 Goku = 1,000 Vegeta = 600 Try to use Potara Earrings. Works! 1,000 X 600 = 600,000 600,000 > 360,000 Vegito > Gogeta |
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| Naruto-Gogeta | Jan 5 2011, 11:30 AM Post #23 |
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And also, I can only see Gogeta > Vegito is if during Movie 12 Goku & Vegeta were more powerful. I do see them alot more powerful, but this is all hypothetical. |
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| Naruto-Gogeta | Jan 5 2011, 11:41 AM Post #24 |
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I suppose that makes alot of sense. And maybe the Fusion Dance actually does have a rival boost. Seeing as Goten X Kid Trunks = Gotenks made sense, but he was kinda overpowered. Let's see. Kid Trunks = 300 Goten = 290 (Stated to be weaker than Kid Trunks, but only by a margin.) Kid Trunks powers down to 290. 290 X 290 = 84,100 So maybe a rival boost would equal 2X? Maybe? 84,100 X 2 = 168,200 That would explain his phenomenal power. OK, OK, so I'll have to rephrase this whole thing. Goku = 1,000 *Vegeta = 600 Goku powers down to 600. 600 X 600 X 2 = 720,000 Goku = 1,000 *Vegeta = 600 1,000 X 600 X 2 = 1,200,000 That's if they were equal. Now, I'm going to say that the Goku & Vegeta in Movie 12 are haxed like hell. So, let's look at it this way... Goku = 2,000 Vegeta = 1,500 Goku powers down to 1,500 2,000 X 1,500 X 2 = 6,000,000 OK, so I was wrong. I guess Gogeta from Movie 12 will beat Vegito from DBZ, but the Potara's effects are greater than the Fusion Dance. If 2 Goku & Vegeta's fused at the same timeline at equal powers, Vegito will beat Gogeta. I think It's settled now. NOTE: EVERY SINGLE POWER LEVEL IS HYPOTHETICAL AND NOT REAL! THEY ARE MADE UP BY ME! BUT NO MATTER WHAT THE NUMBER IS, THE EFFECTS ARE THE SAME! I'M JUST GENERALISING! |
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The blonde girl with the black lips turned to Valkyrie. "We know," she said. "We've seen the future. We know you're going to kill the world..." Release it Gohan! Release everything! Remember all the pain he's caused... The people he's hurt... NOW MAKE THAT YOUR POWER!!!! JOIN MY BOXING FORUM NOW! http://s4.zetaboards.com/Boxing_Forum/index/
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| Warrior-Elite | Jan 5 2011, 03:45 PM Post #25 |
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Not much was told about Gogeta, so his full power is still a mystery. |
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| Omnifarious | Jan 5 2011, 03:50 PM Post #26 |
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And so, that leaves room for imagination, in which I'm going to grossly exaggerate Gogeta's power 
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| Naruto-Gogeta | Jan 5 2011, 07:21 PM Post #27 |
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I think we figured out enough to realise this much. Both the Fusion Dance and the Potara Earrings merge two people together, to create a more powerful being. To use Fusion, they must be completely equal in terms of power. The statement of height is just *****. If Goku and Vegeta can fuse, despite the height difference then It's a simple mistake. The power levels are multiplied together, and may result in a rival boost of roughly 2 fold. Potara is a much more complete form of fusion. No matter what type of power difference there is, they will still merge together by multiplying their powers together, and may result in a rival boost of roughly 2 fold. We can figure that the Potara > Fusion because of It's more complete fusion, but really it depends on the users. If Krillin and Yamcha used the Potara Earrings and then fought SSJ4 Gogeta, obviously Gogeta will win. I take Goku & Vegeta in Movie 12 to be more powerful than the Goku & Vegeta in DBZ. So therefore, a fight between Movie 12 Gogeta and DBZ Vegito will result in Gogeta as the indefinite winner. But if a pair of Goku & Vegeta's met at the same time with exact same power levels, Vegito will be the indefinite winner. So, this is how it goes... Potara > Fusion Movie 12 Gogeta > DBZ Vegito Generalising here... Vegito > Gogeta I believe this to be settled now. I don't mean to brag, but there's no holes in that logic, I believe. |
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The blonde girl with the black lips turned to Valkyrie. "We know," she said. "We've seen the future. We know you're going to kill the world..." Release it Gohan! Release everything! Remember all the pain he's caused... The people he's hurt... NOW MAKE THAT YOUR POWER!!!! JOIN MY BOXING FORUM NOW! http://s4.zetaboards.com/Boxing_Forum/index/
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Jan 5 2011, 07:27 PM Post #28 |
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So its settled then. Gogeta maybe stronger then Vegeito and Vegetio maybe stronger then Gogeta. That simple! |
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| lunar2 | Jan 5 2011, 07:44 PM Post #29 |
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except that the "rival boost" is implied to be stronger than the fusion itself. |
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| Fourth Doctor Who | Jan 5 2011, 07:58 PM Post #30 |
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Gogeta being stronger then Vegito makes it sound SSJ Gogeta can beat Gohan-Boo. You have to think about people in DBZ universe that Gogeta/Vegito can defeat, in order to be sure how strong these two really are. It's clear that SSJ Gogeta in Movie 12 defeated Super Janemba with no effort at all. Super Gogeta could be at Gotenks-Boo/Piccolo-Boo level for all we know. I can't say how strong base Vegito is, he could be stronger then Gotenks-Boo as stated by the fans. And when Vegito became Super Saiya-jin he clearly surpassed All Boo's in the series. Super Vegito > SSJ Gogeta (movie 12)/Base Vegito => Base Gogeta (movie 12) |
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